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Lydia Leftcoast

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20. When have the Republicans ever worked "within the obvious constraints"?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:09 PM
Dec 2013

Hell, they decide on their own what "the obvious constraints" are.

And the Dems buy into it. How about setting up some of their own "obvious constraints," such as not tolerating any more attacks on social programs or even THINKING about compromising (i.e. caving) with the Republicans?

Obama barely got the thing passed because he kept trying to buddy up to the Republicans, who weren't going to cooperate no matter what. The process was also very non-transparent. There was NO easily available information about the proposal, which let the Republicans run wild with horror stories from British tabloids, even though the Obama plan had nothing in common with the British system.

Here's what a hypothetical leftist Ronald Reagan would have done to introduce single payer. He would have gone on TV, outlined single payer in five sentences or fewer, and told the audience to call, write, or e-mail their Congresscritters if they supported the plan. He would have sent out all the Democratic Congresscritters to talk up the plan in their home districts, using the same five points in town hall meetings and on local media.

Reagan always got what he wanted, and that's how he did it. Just substitute "rightist" for "leftistL and "Republican" for "Democratic."

Obama had a further advantage, which he totally blew. He had millions of eager, idealistic young people (to an extent I have not seen since the days of Robert Kennedy) who would gone door to door and leafletted for health care if he had only asked them.

I voted for Obama, but I lost a lot of respect for him when he didn't even meet with single-payer advocates but met with insurance company executives behind closed doors. I was on DU when Cheney met with the energy company execs behind closed doors, and there was universal indignation and suspicion that he had something nefarious in mind, otherwise, why not have a public meeting? But it was OK for Obama to meet in secret with the insurance company execs? Sorry, but that's blind loyalty. Prioritizing the wishes of the corporations is bad no matter who does it.

Like it or not, the road to single payer winds through Obamacare. MADem Dec 2013 #1
The most important thing about the ACA IMO is-- eridani Dec 2013 #2
Yes. And we've only been striving for this since before HRC got beaten to a pulp when she tried to MADem Dec 2013 #3
The systems in both the UK and Canada (which many DUers hold up as a model) are tiered. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #4
NO deductibles is a must Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #5
You can purchase very low deductible plans now, if you can pay for it. Hoyt Dec 2013 #10
If civilized countries don't need deductibles, then we don't either n/t eridani Dec 2013 #11
"It ain't going away here" Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #14
I agree, but deductibles aren't going anywhere. Even Medicare has them. Hoyt Dec 2013 #16
But cancer isn't a system designed by humans Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #18
Yeah sure, Obama barely got anything passed. If there had been no deductibles or coinsurance, the Hoyt Dec 2013 #19
When have the Republicans ever worked "within the obvious constraints"? Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #20
I don't count that as tiering eridani Dec 2013 #6
That's fine and dandy... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #15
There is no relationship between income and closeness to fire stations eridani Dec 2013 #17
Of course. "Single Payer" is and will always be for those who either don't want to or can't afford cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #7
Irrelevant eridani Dec 2013 #12
As long as you can pay for healthcare with private funds... seattledo Dec 2013 #8
Not really eridani Dec 2013 #13
Yes... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #9
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