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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
93. He's got an awful lot of nerve.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jan 2014
Ralph Nader Was Indispensable To The Republican Party

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During the 2004 election contest, a local AP story from Salem, Oregon, on June 25th, was similarly headlined "Pro-GOP Groups Seek to Aid Nader, Hurt Kerry," and reported, "Two conservative groups [the business-oriented Citizens for a Sound Economy, and the fundamentalist Christian Oregon Family Council] have been phoning people around Oregon this week, ... in hopes of putting Nader's name on Oregon's presidential ballot." Oregon was one of 18 tight "battleground" states in the 2004 Presidential election, and Republicans wanted Nader's name to be on the Presidential ballot in order to draw votes away from Democratic candidate John Kerry, and thus throw Oregon's electoral college votes to Bush, and so make Bush the winner, just as had crucially happened in 2000 in both Florida and New Hampshire. (Here is how Citizens for a Sound Economy explained it to their members accompanying their 27 June 2004 "Phone Script": "Liberals are trying to unite in Oregon and keep Nader off the ballot to help their chances of electing John Kerry. We could divide this base of support" between "the uber-liberal Nader and John Kerry," so as to produce a Republican win.)

The board of directors of one of these groups, the Koch brothers' Citizens for a Sound Economy, happened to have been headed by two longtime personal friends of George W. Bush: the former Republican House leader Dick Armey of Texas, and the former counselor to President G.H.W. Bush, C. Boyden Gray. It's virtually certain that these two men authorized this backroom campaigning for Ralph Nader's candidacy. Mr. Gray was an heir to the Reynolds Tobacco fortune. CSE was financed by the foundations of Richard Mellon Scaife, of the Coors family, as well as of the Koch families, and by the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, and the J.M. Olin Foundation. Jane Mayer, on 30 August 2010, headlined in the New Yorker, "Covert Operations" (of the Koch brothers), and wrote: "'Ideas don't happen on their own,' Matt Kibbe, the president of FreedomWorks, a Tea Party advocacy group, told me. 'Throughout history, ideas need patrons.' The Koch brothers, after helping to create Cato and Mercatus, concluded that think tanks alone were not enough to effect change. They needed a mechanism to deliver those ideas to the street, and to attract the public's support. In 1984, David Koch and Richard Fink [whom she called 'the central nervous system of the Kochtopus'] created yet another organization, and Kibbe joined them. The group, Citizens for a Sound Economy, seemed like a grassroots movement, but ... was sponsored principally by the Kochs."

On 5 July 2004, BusinessWeek (p. 53) similarly headlined "Bush Bigs Open Their Wallets For Nader," and reported that among Nader's largest donors was Richard J. Egan, who was a Bush "Ranger," having raised more than $200,000 for his friend, George W. Bush. Egan, whom President Bush appointed Ambassador to Ireland, contributed the maximum allowed, $2,000, to Nader, and Egan's son also did. Unknown other Bush contributors, whom the senior Egan had previously "bundled" into that $200,000+ for Bush, also contributed to Nader. BusinessWeek reported that Richard J. Egan denied being the same person as the Richard J. Egan who contributed to Nader. However, the magazine reported that the Richard J. Egan, whom the records showed to have contributed to Nader, happened to live at the very same address, and that only one Richard J. Egan happened to live there.

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On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined "GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent's Bid a Financial Lift," and reported that the Nader campaign "has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party," according to "an analysis of federal records." Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan's other friends. Mr. Egan's wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was "Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year." Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under "Swift Boat Veterans for Nader," that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry's Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that "the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader's signatures in their state" (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state's 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush's big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, "A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm."

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On 2 August 2006, Paul Kiel at TPM Muckraker, headlined "GOP Donors Funded Entire PA Green Party Drive," and he reported: "OK, we've done it. We've nailed it down: Every single contributor to the Pennsylvania Green Party candidate is actually a conservative - except for the candidate himself. The Luzerne County Green Party raised $66,000 in the month of June in order to fund a voter signature drive. The Philly Inquirer reported yesterday that $40,000 came from supporters of [Republican] Rick Santorum's campaign. ... Also yesterday, we confirmed that another $15,000 came from GOP donors. ... Today, I confirmed that" the entire remaining $11,000 also did.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html



Ralph the Leninist

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This depraved indifference to Republican rule has made Nader’s old liberal friends even more furious. A bunch of intellectuals organized by Sean Wilentz and Todd Gitlin are circulating a much nastier open letter, denouncing Nader’s “wrecking-ball campaign–one that betrays the very liberal and progressive values it claims to uphold.” But really, the question shouldn’t be the one liberals seem to be asking about why Nader is doing what he’s doing. The question should be why anyone is surprised. For some time now, Nader has made it perfectly clear that his campaign isn’t about trying to pull the Democrats back to the left. Rather, his strategy is the Leninist one of “heightening the contradictions.” It’s not just that Nader is willing to take a chance of being personally responsible for electing Bush. It’s that he’s actively trying to elect Bush because he thinks that social conditions in American need to get worse before they can better.

Nader often makes this “the worse, the better” point on the stump in relation to Republicans and the environment. He says that Reagan-era Interior Secretary James Watt was useful because he was a “provocateur” for change, noting that Watt spurred a massive boost in the Sierra Club’s membership. More recently, Nader applied the same logic to Bush himself. Here’s the Los Angeles Times‘ account of a speech Nader gave at Chapman University in Orange, Calif., last week: “After lambasting Gore as part of a do-nothing Clinton administration, Nader said, ‘If it were a choice between a provocateur and an anesthetizer, I’d rather have a provocateur. It would mobilize us.’ “

Lest this remark be considered an aberration, Nader has said similar things before. “When (the Democrats) lose, they say it’s because they are not appealing to the Republican voters,” Nader told an audience in Madison, Wis., a few months ago, according to a story in The Nation. “We want them to say they lost because a progressive movement took away votes.” That might make it sound like Nader’s goal is to defeat Gore in order to shift the Democratic Party to the left. But in a more recent interview with David Moberg in the socialist paper In These Times, Nader made it clear that his real mission is to destroy and then replace the Democratic Party altogether. According to Moberg, Nader talked “about leading the Greens into a ‘death struggle’ with the Democratic Party to determine which will be the majority party.” Nader further and shockingly explained that he hopes in the future to run Green Party candidates around the country, including against such progressive Democrats as Sen. Paul Wellstone of Minnesota, Sen. Senator Russell Feingold of Wisconsin, and Rep. Henry Waxman of California. “I hate to use military analogies,” Nader said, “but this is war on the two parties.”

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2000/10/ralph_the_leninist.html


George Bush doesn't care what Ralph Nader thinks. MADem Jan 2014 #1
"The Real News Network" has a Three Part Interview with Ralph Nader... KoKo Jan 2014 #63
If Ralph Nader hadn't stuck his beak in and MADem Jan 2014 #79
Could you indulge me in writing an open letter of your own to Mr. Nader on this very point? If ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #95
Fuck Nader. Itchinjim Jan 2014 #2
WRONG!!! bluestate10 Jan 2014 #11
+ 1000 ! orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #40
Blame yourself, Ralph. Absent your vanity candidacy, Bush would have lost. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #90
And BTW.. sendero Jan 2014 #134
+1000, Lizzie! catbyte Jan 2014 #148
even though I don't agree your post made me smile Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #143
If he wanted to stop Bush he may have helped us but he didn't Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #69
LOLZ KittyWampus Jan 2014 #3
Nader should have probably addressed this letter to himself. Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #4
No he was not malaise Jan 2014 #5
They were able to because of Nader and his acolytes. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #6
Well if you actually believe in Democracy malaise Jan 2014 #8
Democracy doesn't mean you get to turn off your brain to the reality of your political system. stevenleser Jan 2014 #10
That might be an argument for settling electoral ties in a different fashion, winter is coming Jan 2014 #26
Democracy means that when the system you have isn't working for a majority of the people, the people sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #118
Please point out where the Constitution calls for a "two party system". Scuba Jan 2014 #119
Agreed. Ralph's Ego Trip Made It Possible For The Repugs To Steal Florida Vogon_Glory Jan 2014 #16
Agreed Gothmog Jan 2014 #150
Bullshit. 99Forever Jan 2014 #9
The Supreme Court wouldn't have gotten that choice if not for Nader. nt bluestate10 Jan 2014 #12
as ridiculous as saying belltower Jan 2014 #25
a million times wouldn't suffice G_j Jan 2014 #126
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2014 #131
Or the fucked up butterfly ballots that gave thousands of Gore votes to Buchanan progressoid Jan 2014 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #31
Factcheck.org is wrong about one part, Gore's team did ask for a statewide recount at the end. stevenleser Jan 2014 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #48
The gigantic error in FactCheck's analysis jeff47 Jan 2014 #53
"The reason Nader got any traction at all is because Gore ran a terrible campaign.. " SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #28
You may have MadashellLynn Jan 2014 #75
I agree 100% and fumed about it real time as well. Total B.S. stevenleser Jan 2014 #85
a hellish host of rabid ducks... grasswire Jan 2014 #94
that is just flat out bs dsc Jan 2014 #76
^^ This. No offense to Gore, but he ran a poor campaign. winter is coming Jan 2014 #125
Funny that Gore himself admits it but the folks here just can't deal.. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #146
Agreed! MadashellLynn Jan 2014 #32
Fuck you, Ralphie. You made sure that Bush was installed president. madinmaryland Jan 2014 #7
Bullshit. We don't know whether the Nader voters would have turned out at all winter is coming Jan 2014 #13
It was known that it was likely Nader was going to throw the election, before the election Major Nikon Jan 2014 #36
Yes, Nader was in it for Nader, but he didn't "throw the election". winter is coming Jan 2014 #38
Well, the director of the Sierra Club disagreed Major Nikon Jan 2014 #81
Hardly surprising, since he is an asshole. n/t winter is coming Jan 2014 #91
That argument only works if zero Nader voters would have voted for Gore. jeff47 Jan 2014 #55
Or... Gore only needed slightly better turnout. winter is coming Jan 2014 #58
And the most likely result of a non-Nader election jeff47 Jan 2014 #62
You can't "poach" someone else's votes. Votes belong to the voter, not any candidate. winter is coming Jan 2014 #65
Yes, figures of speech are always 100% literal. jeff47 Jan 2014 #124
It's not the figure of speech, but the attitude behind it, that I was decrying. winter is coming Jan 2014 #127
not who but where belltower Jan 2014 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #35
Trolling I'll bet ,But WECOME !!! DocJohnsonSD orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #47
You got Bats in your Belfry !!!! But Welcome orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #42
In no possible way could Gore have been as bad as Bush pitchforx Jan 2014 #54
The major error in your analysis is assuming 9/11 would have happened. jeff47 Jan 2014 #56
Sure belltower Jan 2014 #98
QUICK! CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!!!!! jeff47 Jan 2014 #122
That's assuming MadashellLynn Jan 2014 #78
Please see my reply at belltower Jan 2014 #101
+1000 regnaD kciN Jan 2014 #113
Like my late dad said on 12/13/2000 PlanetBev Jan 2014 #14
I agree with your Dad . orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #41
I made a vow to punch him in the nose if we ever pitchforx Jan 2014 #44
I lay it squarely on the Supremes. They went where they had no authority to go but went anyway then shraby Jan 2014 #15
Yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #21
A Royal Scam !!! orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #49
100% correct malaise Jan 2014 #43
And Justice O'Connor now thinks... KansDem Jan 2014 #116
You're killing me Smalls! Hey Ralphie, Denial is more than a River in Egypt! rustydog Jan 2014 #17
Ralph you are to blame too. iandhr Jan 2014 #18
... SidDithers Jan 2014 #19
Did Ralph Nader forget he helped elect Bush by running his go no where election and..... DrewFlorida Jan 2014 #22
Yes, Bush DID Destroy Iraq Leith Jan 2014 #23
Good read, and so true PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #24
Nader must be trying to drum up publicity for his latest book Major Nikon Jan 2014 #27
Great letter. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #29
I wonder what order of the players gets the blame for the Failure Fuhrer's ascendancy? HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #30
I would add the Lewinsky scandal that was still on the radar of many of the idiotic public. Clinton adirondacker Jan 2014 #80
"Jeb" is short for "John Ellis Bush" jmowreader Jan 2014 #84
Edited. HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #99
Okay folks, answer me this: Who belongs in jail, Bush or Nader? RoccoR5955 Jan 2014 #33
Bush belongs in jail, and Nader should be apologizing for helping pnwmom Jan 2014 #52
I support the non-supporters of Ralph Nader NBachers Jan 2014 #34
While I agree 100% BlackM Jan 2014 #39
Nothing makes me more embarrassed to be liberal than watching liberals trash Nader NoOneMan Jan 2014 #45
The Damage Shrub did was Devastating, Nader was to him.. orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #51
Facts: Perot got 19% of popular vote in 1992. Nader got 2.7% of vote in 2000. NoOneMan Jan 2014 #57
What percent did Shrub beat Gore, Socrates ? FACTS? orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #66
Bush beat Gore by *negative* .5% percent, Plato NoOneMan Jan 2014 #70
Perhaps you should read all of the link you provided. progressoid Jan 2014 #77
Which closes the margin even more ! how are you on comprehension. orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #123
It didn't just close the margin, it eliminated the margin. progressoid Jan 2014 #129
Agreed, and Thank you for the info and Links, Your Right orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #149
so so sorry! pitchforx Jan 2014 #59
There was a time Nader actually believed what he was saying jeff47 Jan 2014 #61
I've honestly never met the man NoOneMan Jan 2014 #72
Why do you believe he doesn't believe what he says what he's saying? KoKo Jan 2014 #73
his raytheon stock probablymade him some cash. nt. dionysus Jan 2014 #83
Because of the fraud jeff47 Jan 2014 #121
Ironically the 'he has a big house' accusation was used against Gore by Republicans Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #133
A lot of people are forgetting that Gore actually WON THE ELECTION bonzaga Jan 2014 #138
Don't go away mad, Ralph. tavernier Jan 2014 #46
Thanks a lot, Nader, for helping to put the creep in office. pnwmom Jan 2014 #50
It's funny that you can't forgive Nader for practicing democracy and agree with him Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #132
Nader had a far greater impact on all our lives than anything Pope Francis has done. pnwmom Jan 2014 #142
Nobody ever blames Monica reddread Jan 2014 #60
Monica Had Nothing to Do with It Leith Jan 2014 #71
nobody ever blames Tennessee reddread Jan 2014 #89
During the impeachment, Bill's approval ratings were higher than Raygun's highest Major Nikon Jan 2014 #86
and during the campaign Gore never mentioned his name reddread Jan 2014 #87
Not surprisingly Major Nikon Jan 2014 #92
No one can deny GWD did a number on this country... Blue Owl Jan 2014 #64
No difference between Bush and Gore BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #67
"Tweedledum and Tweedledee" redqueen Jan 2014 #110
It's like a dinner bell for the 3rd way Nader Haters. Awesome letter, btw and nice donation to the adirondacker Jan 2014 #68
But Gore would have destroyed it equally, eh Ralphie? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #82
Everyone knows Reagan destroyed the country. Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #88
He's got an awful lot of nerve. redqueen Jan 2014 #93
"This depraved indifference to Republican rule" bluestate10 Jan 2014 #111
When I saw the title, I thought Nader was talking about the United States of America. calimary Jan 2014 #96
Dic he cc himself? nt BlueToTheBone Jan 2014 #97
This is precisely why I posted this without comment. HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #100
Well Stated! nt adirondacker Jan 2014 #108
well-stated indeed. I remember groaning in agony when Gore picked that Nay Jan 2014 #144
Nader should'a never picked Lieberman for his running mate...oh, wait.. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #102
People seriously overlook Lieberturd's role in the 2000 debacle. HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #103
Or, Gore's failure to convince the left to vote for him. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #106
Bwahahahaaa. progressoid Jan 2014 #130
excellent letter.... mike_c Jan 2014 #104
"The country I helped you destroy" would be more apt. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #105
Ralph, the president you helped select. nt longship Jan 2014 #107
as we can ascertain by the responses--he's 2000's Snowden... MisterP Jan 2014 #109
George W. Bush owes Nader a lot Zambero Jan 2014 #112
I waited and waited every day in the 2000 campaign for Nader to drop out and endorse Gore bluestateguy Jan 2014 #114
Uh oh, someone mentioned Ralph Nader. NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #115
since he must take most of the blame for the reign of error, where the fuck was he DURING georgee??? pansypoo53219 Jan 2014 #117
Nobody ever blames Joe Biden, but it is completely his fault reddread Jan 2014 #120
it should have been titled - you're welcome. nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #128
Good job Ralph! He did destroy it didn't he? Rex Jan 2014 #135
Irregardless of him taking votes ...he does say some interesting things worth thinking about. L0oniX Jan 2014 #136
K&R The letter is true. woo me with science Jan 2014 #137
It was a loyalty test for Democrats and many failed it. kentuck Jan 2014 #139
I don't believe in loyalty tests... NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #141
Nader needs to ask his doctor for some irony supplements. 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #140
a POEM for George W Bush Martin Eden Jan 2014 #145
Is there any doubt now that CommonDreams is a third party mouthpiece? great white snark Jan 2014 #147
Nader remains a jerk who is denial Gothmog Jan 2014 #151
This is as close to an apology as we will get. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #152
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