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Are_grits_groceries

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Sat Feb 15, 2014, 11:31 PM Feb 2014

DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence [View all]

Smoking Gun: DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence

Drug Enforcement Administration training documents released to MuckRock user C.J. Ciaramella show how the agency constructs two chains of evidence to hide surveillance programs from defense teams, prosecutors, and a public wary of domestic intelligence practices.

In training materials, the department even encourages a willful ignorance by field agents to minimize the risk of making intelligence practices public.

The DEA practices mirror a common dilemma among domestic law enforcement agencies: Analysts have access to unprecedented streams of classified information that might prove useful to investigators, but entering classified evidence in court risks disclosing those sensitive surveillance methods to the world, which could either end up halting the program due to public outcry or undermining their usefulness through greater awareness.

An undated slide deck released by the DEA to fleshes out the issue more graphically: When military and intelligence agencies “find Bin Laden's satellite phone and then pin point [sic] his location, they don't have to go to a court to get permission to put a missile up his nose." Law enforcement agencies, on the other hand, “must be able to take our information to court and prove to a jury that our bad guy did the bad things we say he did.”
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Much more: https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-parallel-construction-guides/

Spied on and then lied to...

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Remember when there was mocking for suggesting that the spying even existed? woo me with science Feb 2014 #1
Yeppers. Threads were locked for spreading woo. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #2
Too much stuff labeled "Woo", later turns out not to be woo. RC Feb 2014 #4
+10000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #9
What really gets me is how people and organizations break the law Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #21
....^ 840high Feb 2014 #85
Yes, we wouldn't want the spreading of woo. In the meantime it's Enthusiast Feb 2014 #22
See no evil Aerows Feb 2014 #152
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #6
Now "that" is some steaming PR effusion. woo me with science Feb 2014 #8
And predictable as the sunrise. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #23
Not shocked at all. nt. neverforget Feb 2014 #10
Fake Democrats are well-ingrained in our Party and DU. Scuba Feb 2014 #17
Republican Democrats, I've heard as well. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #83
+1 And right now we get to witness the magic of an election year, woo me with science Feb 2014 #93
And that's what pisses me off Aerows Feb 2014 #144
Fucking McCarthyites! n/t hootinholler Feb 2014 #28
They have become parodies of themselves. bvar22 Feb 2014 #35
I've put both of them on my ignore list, and threads have immediately become more constructive. [n/t Maedhros Feb 2014 #62
Yes. But now that it has been exposed, the way not to deal with it is to use the 'look over there' sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #39
We have always had spies...who was deluded into thinking this is something new? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #57
If the OP is true we aren't talking about spies. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #70
Well that's a huge leap... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #71
Yes, that's what the article in the OP is alleging: that an insider has provided that evidence Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #72
Well just saying "somebody said so" is not going to cut it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #73
Which is exactly what would make falsifying chains of evidence so egregious. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #74
OMG (Clapper again)....and yeah...I am dismissing... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #75
For a while Watergate was merely hearsay. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #76
lots of things are hearsay and never proven true too... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #80
But we would never know either way unless we pursued the truth. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #81
but you don't just believe every thing you hear just because it fits your narrative VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #82
I didn't have a narrative until the NSA gave me one. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #87
yeah right...no narrative.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #90
Do you have anything of substance or just a smiley provided to you by the founders of this forum? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #92
reuters reported on this last summer questionseverything Feb 2014 #95
Exactly n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #101
You are absolutely right, Nuclear Unicorn Aerows Feb 2014 #100
Honey, if you got any more phony with your arguments Aerows Feb 2014 #145
Oh, you showed up Aerows Feb 2014 #97
Wait a second Aerows Feb 2014 #143
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #3
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #5
You'd be a fool to trust the EN-SS-EH blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #7
Yep spied, lied and tried... zeemike Feb 2014 #11
But, but, but it's LEGAL! Th1onein Feb 2014 #183
Has the ACLU gotten involved ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #12
They're keeping two sets of books jsr Feb 2014 #13
How to violate our Fourth Amendment rights is in their training manuals? Oilwellian Feb 2014 #14
+1 This should be the beginning of relentless investigation of these crimes, woo me with science Feb 2014 #15
NSA appears to be a criminal enterprise. nt grasswire Feb 2014 #29
No hyperbole there. nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #36
kick for that n/t reddread Feb 2014 #37
Second kick Aerows Feb 2014 #53
It boggles the mind Aerows Feb 2014 #103
So they have a "taint review team" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #16
You guys did read all the training slides available, right? randome Feb 2014 #18
In your opinion is constructing false evidence trails an ethical government practice? n/t Fumesucker Feb 2014 #19
I would think it irrelevant in regard to non-citizens. randome Feb 2014 #20
to be confronted with the witnesses against him questionseverything Feb 2014 #26
Where in the Constitution does is say it only applies to citizens? hootinholler Feb 2014 #27
And there it is. Endorsement of secret government fabrication of evidence trails. woo me with science Feb 2014 #31
What you are saying that it doesnt matter how you get evidence. Search warrants are not required rhett o rick Feb 2014 #32
Well, Carl Bernstein says it okay so for randome, that means its okay!111!!!1 nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #34
Randome Aerows Feb 2014 #47
Seems to think the time's have gone beyond it. Octafish Feb 2014 #66
When you believe the Constitution Aerows Feb 2014 #96
Where did I ever say we don't need laws or am in favor of anarchy? randome Feb 2014 #105
Your own petard Aerows Feb 2014 #106
The biggest change I would like is to do away with the House of Representatives. randome Feb 2014 #108
Having the rule of law Aerows Feb 2014 #109
But every law and rule on the books has exceptions. randome Feb 2014 #113
"I promise" Aerows Feb 2014 #117
My very first example is valid, I think. randome Feb 2014 #121
Oh, so now you admit they often abuse their responsibilities? Aerows Feb 2014 #125
I never said 'often'. randome Feb 2014 #129
If that is your defense Aerows Feb 2014 #130
When you defend creating false evidence trails Aerows Feb 2014 #120
No one is creating false evidence. At least not within the confines of the OP. randome Feb 2014 #122
Randome Aerows Feb 2014 #124
it is illegal because they are denying a fair trial questionseverything Feb 2014 #127
The 'witness' in the example I suggested, would be the email. randome Feb 2014 #131
SC disagrees questionseverything Feb 2014 #132
I get that. randome Feb 2014 #136
so sorry but spying on American citizens questionseverything Feb 2014 #140
I knew that and other responses on that thread bothered me for a reason. Octafish Feb 2014 #110
what the defenders of illegal spying fail to point out is questionseverything Feb 2014 #116
It just goes to show Aerows Feb 2014 #123
When people openly advocate Aerows Feb 2014 #118
that kind of explains it all questionseverything Feb 2014 #112
Yep Aerows Feb 2014 #115
Yeah, that poster always poo poohs the NSA revelations. It's not shocking that they hold neverforget Feb 2014 #171
Did we change your mind? I hope!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #84
Uh, no. randome Feb 2014 #98
The Constitution of the United States of America Aerows Feb 2014 #107
You asking if I would rather follow the American system of jurisprudence enshrined in the grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #158
Someone could answer the question I posed. randome Feb 2014 #163
It's acceptable, of course it is Aerows Feb 2014 #48
Did Clapper lie under oath? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #41
You know, it becomes more clear by the day Aerows Feb 2014 #45
I have never used 9/11 as a justification for anything. randome Feb 2014 #102
You wouldn't know a law Aerows Feb 2014 #104
"not permissible to lie under oath" progressoid Feb 2014 #63
Nobody in government has to obey the law anymore Aerows Feb 2014 #114
Hey, lying under oath Aerows Feb 2014 #126
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Feb 2014 #65
Perhaps expecting inhabitants of the Innertubes to actually read and understand documents, struggle4progress Feb 2014 #86
I am quite enjoying this thread...the shutdown of Silk Road, which almost certainly happened because msanthrope Feb 2014 #88
the solicitor general lied to SC because he assumed justice would follow the law? questionseverything Feb 2014 #94
LOL! Aerows Feb 2014 #128
Ah...the defense of Silk Road...and human trafficking. Lovely. Silk Road would operate msanthrope Feb 2014 #133
Interesting way of deflecting a sincere question. Aerows Feb 2014 #134
Don't forget the murder-for-contract hire. randome Feb 2014 #137
You've defended some repugnant things Aerows Feb 2014 #138
when they come to take your rights away questionseverything Feb 2014 #141
We may be voices in the wilderness, my friend Aerows Feb 2014 #142
Now is it a Police State? Octafish Feb 2014 #24
As usual, you cut directly through the bullshit. woo me with science Feb 2014 #25
kick for this n/t reddread Feb 2014 #30
Kicking this comment Aerows Feb 2014 #49
U.S. to review DEA unit that hides use of intel in crime cases ProSense Feb 2014 #33
so the farmer says to the fox questionseverything Feb 2014 #38
+1 succinct and dead on correct reddread Feb 2014 #40
Amen to never has been Aerows Feb 2014 #50
"Spin"? ProSense Feb 2014 #42
Oh, I think the American people Aerows Feb 2014 #51
You know what: ProSense Feb 2014 #52
Well Gee, my dear ProSense Aerows Feb 2014 #54
Ah ProSense Feb 2014 #55
Should I offer you a box of rocks Aerows Feb 2014 #56
Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #58
Copy/Paste is such a high-level skill set Aerows Feb 2014 #59
Aerows ProSense Feb 2014 #60
Thanks for kicking it Aerows Feb 2014 #61
Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2014 #43
Sounds like grounds to debunkthis Feb 2014 #44
Sure does Aerows Feb 2014 #46
+1000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #77
+1000 G_j Feb 2014 #111
Kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #64
K&R me b zola Feb 2014 #67
Gee, nobody saw this Happening! **sarcasm** fascisthunter Feb 2014 #68
Parallel construction is used... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #69
Interesting User Name. Maedhros Feb 2014 #89
No, it was imposed upon me... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #146
Interesting choice, given the forum we are on. That's all. Maedhros Feb 2014 #147
I might be a bit slow(or just ignorant) but just how does the name antagonize Liberals? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2014 #150
Because liberals are referred to as reactionary Aerows Feb 2014 #155
"Reactionary" originally referred to those elements in France that opposed the Revolution. Maedhros Feb 2014 #157
it has had a number of definitions though haven't it? Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2014 #159
A poster with the handle "reACTIONary" posts consistently in defense of the NSA Maedhros Feb 2014 #162
I have no problem with the nsa as an agency, they have a job to do Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2014 #164
Opposing surveillance in the absence of suspicion Maedhros Feb 2014 #165
The NSA is an inteligence organization... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #172
See, it's posts like this that convince me you aren't arguing in good faith. Maedhros Feb 2014 #173
When you accuse me of defending "blanket survelance"... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #180
yes that is the entire point of this op questionseverything Feb 2014 #184
No, The NSA spys on foreign targets... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #185
maybe this judge can explain why it is illegal questionseverything Feb 2014 #186
I have never heard of anything like this at all... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #187
So the Constitution doesn't apply to intelligence agencies? neverforget Feb 2014 #174
The fourth amendment... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #176
No kidding. This debate is about the NSA spying on Americans. neverforget Feb 2014 #177
The NSA is not spying on Americans... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #178
Baloney. Verizon, of which I am an American customer, has been handing over metadata to the NSA neverforget Feb 2014 #179
I think you definitly can reasonably assume that... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #181
Trust us! We would never abuse our power! Ever! Smith v Maryland, the ruling that supposedly allows neverforget Feb 2014 #182
Thanks! (nt) reACTIONary Feb 2014 #167
Indeed n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #153
I am a liberal... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #166
As a Liberal, I am much more concerned with how parallel construction negatively impacts Maedhros Feb 2014 #168
As citizens who value our freedom and our liberal democracy... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #169
Valerie Plame Aerows Feb 2014 #154
Lets look again... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #170
K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Feb 2014 #78
This is an injustice. Literally. Legitimate concerns? Tough shit. Work within the law ... GoneFishin Feb 2014 #79
& k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #91
Wow, they don't call it a War on Drugs for nothing Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #99
Defending this Aerows Feb 2014 #119
Did this not go away? Aerows Feb 2014 #135
Yup. woo me with science Feb 2014 #149
I'm pretty tired Aerows Feb 2014 #139
K & R n/t JohnyCanuck Feb 2014 #148
How many convictions will be overturned because of this breach of our constitutional rights? Coyotl Feb 2014 #151
K&R n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #156
This is really messed up Aerows Feb 2014 #160
I refuse to let this sink Aerows Feb 2014 #161
This is serious. I'm with you Aerows! neverforget Feb 2014 #175
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