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In reply to the discussion: He said "make me do it" so they showed up to make him, but were arrested. [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)115. It's been going on for some time.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
-Upton Sinclair
-Upton Sinclair
States that build surveillance machines also build propaganda machines:
How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097
The government figured out sockpuppet managment but not "persona management."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242
The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4159454
Seventeen techniques for truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741
Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1208351
The goal of the propaganda is not to convince anyone of anything...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801
The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting personas is steady and unnatural:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367
DU has a history and an identity that is well-known to those of us who have been here since near its beginning. The flavor of its membership was generally steady during the early years. What is happening to it now is, quite frankly, not natural. It is particularly not natural on a liberal board, given the political climate and the general distrust across the country of our government.
The number of corporatism-celebrating personas, and the ratio of them to traditional Democrats on DU, is constantly, gradually, and unnaturally increasing. The number of expected recs for a post blatantly supporting antidemocratic, anti-Constitutional, corporate (often Bush II) policies used to be in the single digits. It is gradually increasing in a way too steady to be accidental, to the point that such posts now routinely garner 50+ recs. The influx of low-count posters coming in spouting the corporate line is constant and unrealistic.
And this marked change in the quality of the participation on the board is not unique to DU. This is happening all over the internet, on all the major political boards. The corporate forces that have taken control of our government have very deep pockets. Also keep in mind that the primary goal of any state turning to authoritarianism is to manage public opinion and public response so as to reduce the likelihood of pushback and revolt. Millions of us are being pushed into poverty, and our Constitutional protections are being stripped. Of course great attention and money will be poured into managing public opinion and creating the illusion that the people support what is being done to them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367
DU has a history and an identity that is well-known to those of us who have been here since near its beginning. The flavor of its membership was generally steady during the early years. What is happening to it now is, quite frankly, not natural. It is particularly not natural on a liberal board, given the political climate and the general distrust across the country of our government.
The number of corporatism-celebrating personas, and the ratio of them to traditional Democrats on DU, is constantly, gradually, and unnaturally increasing. The number of expected recs for a post blatantly supporting antidemocratic, anti-Constitutional, corporate (often Bush II) policies used to be in the single digits. It is gradually increasing in a way too steady to be accidental, to the point that such posts now routinely garner 50+ recs. The influx of low-count posters coming in spouting the corporate line is constant and unrealistic.
And this marked change in the quality of the participation on the board is not unique to DU. This is happening all over the internet, on all the major political boards. The corporate forces that have taken control of our government have very deep pockets. Also keep in mind that the primary goal of any state turning to authoritarianism is to manage public opinion and public response so as to reduce the likelihood of pushback and revolt. Millions of us are being pushed into poverty, and our Constitutional protections are being stripped. Of course great attention and money will be poured into managing public opinion and creating the illusion that the people support what is being done to them.
The influx will continue
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4216987
There's an important broader story here about the growing propaganda state.
As the corporate plutocracy has taken over our government and dismantled the free press of a democratic society, they have been creating a pervasive and relentless propaganda machine to replace it. From the purchased mainstream media to the incessant political astroturfing of the internet, the propaganda machine in this country has never been more manipulative, dishonest, non-transparent, relentless, and determinedly pervasive, systematically infiltrating even discussion boards like DU.
What is being done to this country is well beyond creepy and disturbing at this point. We have been overtaken by corporatists intent on corporate fascism, and we have *already* been stripped of major foundations of our free society, including our right to privacy, our right to free speech, our right to protest, and the free press that was our most important alarm for and protection against government abuse and tyranny.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4216987
There's an important broader story here about the growing propaganda state.
As the corporate plutocracy has taken over our government and dismantled the free press of a democratic society, they have been creating a pervasive and relentless propaganda machine to replace it. From the purchased mainstream media to the incessant political astroturfing of the internet, the propaganda machine in this country has never been more manipulative, dishonest, non-transparent, relentless, and determinedly pervasive, systematically infiltrating even discussion boards like DU.
What is being done to this country is well beyond creepy and disturbing at this point. We have been overtaken by corporatists intent on corporate fascism, and we have *already* been stripped of major foundations of our free society, including our right to privacy, our right to free speech, our right to protest, and the free press that was our most important alarm for and protection against government abuse and tyranny.
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He said "make me do it" so they showed up to make him, but were arrested. [View all]
Scuba
Mar 2014
OP
Ask those of us who protested to sit at a lunch counter and were arrested for it. It's what we
kelliekat44
Mar 2014
#52
there's nothing new in that. U.S. arrests peaceful demonstrators since the beginning
2banon
Mar 2014
#120
If he wanted to help them, and us, he could nix the pipeline. That's why we elected him.
Scuba
Mar 2014
#11
Sure, because that was the most important thing for him to be doing yesterday.
JoePhilly
Mar 2014
#34
Has anyone who opposes this eisastrous pipeline been invited to participate in discussions
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#57
But it might have been an error to focus mainly on Keystone XL over the past few years
Chathamization
Mar 2014
#32
Whether it should be part of a strategy and whether it should be the main focus are two different
Chathamization
Mar 2014
#90
This toxic material doesn't have to be transported across the heart of the US by pipe or rail.
Scuba
Mar 2014
#15
Nope, we should spend capital (political and actual) on efforts that will actually make a difference
Adrahil
Mar 2014
#24
That's funny, that's what I thought of your posting against resisting Keystone XL
dreamnightwind
Mar 2014
#63
I know that. But the pipeline will increase the amount of tar extract being transported.
RC
Mar 2014
#79
Yep, 40,000 protesters in DC got no mention on the Urinal/Sentinel website today. They did ....
Scuba
Mar 2014
#17
Scuba, wow! Now they are defending the XL pipeline. Yes, 40,000 was the estimate.
madfloridian
Mar 2014
#16
The first president to say that was FDR - I am curious to know how he treated protesters and if they
jwirr
Mar 2014
#23
"President has ZERO obligation to stop them from being arrested" after he said "make me do it"?
Scuba
Mar 2014
#53
Yes, and in the thread, you are taken to task for misrepresenting the gravamen of the arrests.
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#49
Sorry--I didn't mean to silence but to expose the misinformation, which is all they have.
factsarenotfair
Mar 2014
#103
Obviously, they were trying to steal his "comfortable walking shoes".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#91
"Make me do it" was always ridiculous. Voters need to demand that elected officials serve them...
polichick
Mar 2014
#107
In one day, the US arrested almost half as many protesters as Venezuela has in over three
Zorra
Mar 2014
#108
But apparently, far more unwilling to jail his own people for protesting than Obama is.
Zorra
Mar 2014
#118
Soes President Obama understand that a lot of thoes protestors are Democrats who could be out
JDPriestly
Mar 2014
#119
People seem really upset that they have to work for and fight for things rather
bluegreen
Mar 2014
#126
Suggest you ignore the trolling remark. Your post is heartfelt and accurate. Thanks.
Scuba
Mar 2014
#137
and I suggest you get your facts straight before posting inflammatory crap ...
MindMover
Mar 2014
#140