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TlalocW

(15,399 posts)
11. Maybe, maybe not
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:13 PM
Mar 2014

The Soviets were first with their program, and Americans were worried about a "psi-gap" so started one as well. Here in America it was kept alive by various lawmakers who had personal belief in ESP, etc. until Clinton, who killed it. It was resurrected again under W. Not sure about now. And who knows about Russia. James Randi did a NOVA episode in 1993 where in part of it he traveled to Russia to test various claimants, etc.

In a round-about way, this was one of the reasons I was looking forward to the 4th Indiana Jones movie. In the 30s and 40s, he was dealing with mystic things in the movies because Hitler and Germany had an interest in mysticism. Ultimate victory though was in the form of science - terrible though it was - which took us into the 50s with the cold war and a renewed interest math and science, and the "woo" changed to keep up - ESP, telekinetic powers, etc. The untapped power of the mind and so on. So while I don't believe in either, I thought they were being clever, taking beliefs of the time to a far-out conclusion and having Indy have to deal with them...

And then I saw it. Spielberg had to put his daddy issues into yet another movie; Lucas his damn aliens, and the whole pre-Colombian civilizations were created by aliens is another form of woo and a racist one at that.

TlalocW

Similar to those IMO that see tunnels, bright lights and all in near death experiences. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #1
Lay on the table in an operating theater and look up. What do you see? FSogol Mar 2014 #3
Yep! I think many people long for something more to life. I see it pretty much as RKP5637 Mar 2014 #5
It's not just that TlalocW Mar 2014 #9
What about people who claim this happened to them and they weren't on the operating table? lunatica Mar 2014 #10
How about people who did come near death on an operating table but had no "near death" hallucination REP Mar 2014 #23
I have an acquaintance who claims he can do this. Cleita Mar 2014 #2
Yep, and I believe the Soviets had similar programs. I think they were all abandoned? ... because RKP5637 Mar 2014 #6
Maybe, maybe not TlalocW Mar 2014 #11
Are you sure? Do you have proof all was abandoned? lunatica Mar 2014 #12
With all respect, one could apply the converse to your questioning! RKP5637 Mar 2014 #13
I didn't assert anything lunatica Mar 2014 #16
I have no idea either. That's why the ? was in my post. Yes, quite true, it is often RKP5637 Mar 2014 #21
i sometimes go beyond astral projection RussBLib Mar 2014 #4
that's lucid dreaming. NuttyFluffers Mar 2014 #8
i can project to the astral plane, but only if i roll a 0 on a 20-sided die. unblock Mar 2014 #7
N=1. Absolutely NO generalizability to population is possible. NoodleyAppendage Mar 2014 #14
the brain models the world we perceive... mike_c Mar 2014 #15
Well said n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #17
As John Prine said... seveneyes Mar 2014 #18
Chuang Tzu Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #19
The brain is a highly advanced, quantum machine. Rex Mar 2014 #20
This would "happen" to me quite often as a child me b zola Mar 2014 #22
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