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Tierra_y_Libertad

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19. Chuang Tzu

Reply to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:36 PM

Mar 2014

"What if I am dreaming right now? This conversation I am having with you seems real in every way, but so did my dream. I thought I was Chuang Tzu who had a dream of being a butterfly. What if I am a butterfly who, at this very moment, is dreaming of being Chuang Tzu?"

"Well, I can tell you that you are actually Chuang Tzu, not a butterfly."

Chuang Tzu smiled: "You may simply be part of my dream, no more or less real than anything else. Thus, there is nothing you can do to help me identify the distinction between Chuang Tzu and the butterfly. This, my friend, is the essential question about the transformation of existence."

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Scientists unlock mystery of out-of-body experiences (aka astral trips) [View all] The Straight Story Mar 2014 OP

Similar to those IMO that see tunnels, bright lights and all in near death experiences. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #1

Lay on the table in an operating theater and look up. What do you see? FSogol Mar 2014 #3

Yep! I think many people long for something more to life. I see it pretty much as RKP5637 Mar 2014 #5

It's not just that TlalocW Mar 2014 #9

What about people who claim this happened to them and they weren't on the operating table? lunatica Mar 2014 #10

How about people who did come near death on an operating table but had no "near death" hallucination REP Mar 2014 #23

I have an acquaintance who claims he can do this. Cleita Mar 2014 #2

Yep, and I believe the Soviets had similar programs. I think they were all abandoned? ... because RKP5637 Mar 2014 #6

Maybe, maybe not TlalocW Mar 2014 #11

Are you sure? Do you have proof all was abandoned? lunatica Mar 2014 #12

With all respect, one could apply the converse to your questioning! RKP5637 Mar 2014 #13

I didn't assert anything lunatica Mar 2014 #16

I have no idea either. That's why the ? was in my post. Yes, quite true, it is often RKP5637 Mar 2014 #21

i sometimes go beyond astral projection RussBLib Mar 2014 #4

that's lucid dreaming. NuttyFluffers Mar 2014 #8

i can project to the astral plane, but only if i roll a 0 on a 20-sided die. unblock Mar 2014 #7

N=1. Absolutely NO generalizability to population is possible. NoodleyAppendage Mar 2014 #14

the brain models the world we perceive... mike_c Mar 2014 #15

Well said n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #17

As John Prine said... seveneyes Mar 2014 #18

Chuang Tzu Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #19

The brain is a highly advanced, quantum machine. Rex Mar 2014 #20

This would "happen" to me quite often as a child me b zola Mar 2014 #22