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davsand

(13,421 posts)
60. Gawd, we are LIVING this shit right now in my household.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:57 AM
Jun 2014

I'm going to state straight away that my own personal feeling is that for kids in school the only "dress code" that they should need is "Is everything covered that the law says should be?" and "is it clean?" If that offends you, then quit reading right now because I am only gonna piss you off.

School is not a workplace, and school is supposed to be a place for kids to learn--and part of that learning is about who they are and what works for them. If they want to wear nothing but purple spandex or a kilt every freaking day, then so be it. I've heard the same lame arguments that "The workplace doesn't allow..." and I have NEVER bought into that. School is not a place where kids go to earn a living, and those kids should not be subject to some arbitrary dress code applied by a bunch of adults that managed to get elected to the school board because they are good at playing the political game. As an added observation, I know an awful lot of adults who choose NOT to work in some restrictive workplace, in part, because they resent and dislike the narrow minded crap that comes along with those dress codes.

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Our local high school is planning to outlaw leggings, yoga pants, and "tight fitting pants" next year. The main argument is that they are "distracting" to some of the students. My 17 year old daughter's favorite school outfits in winter are some kind of leggings, an over-sized hoodie with a t-shirt underneath, and combat boots. There's nothing about that outfit that is sexually provocative, unless you want to MAKE it that way. EVERYTHING is covered, none of it is "see-thru" and she's pretty much covered wrist to wrist, head to toe. The local school now says that is "distracting" somehow.

When I asked what, EXACTLY, was distracting about that outfit, I was told that it was too explicit in outlining the shape of the girls. When I asked about the possibility of maybe taking that as an opportunity to educate about the sexualization of girls, I was met with an uncomfortable stare and not much else. When I countered with a statement that I though we had already established a few decades ago that women have butts just like men do, you'd have thought I was sowing the seeds of anarchy.

They have designated sports uniforms that are scanty, skimpy, and clingy--and that is somehow ok. It is perfectly acceptable to put the girls' volleyball team in shorts to skimpy the girls have to wear a thong with them or else their panties show. It is just hunky dorey to put the girls' track team in tight fitting uniforms or even the cheerleaders in outfits that have cutouts or crop tops--but they want to say that leggings and combat boots are somehow less acceptable??? Meanwhile, the boys' sports uniforms manage to cover up everything and still maintain some comfort. (Go figure!)

The schizophrenia represented here leaves me shaking my head.

You can argue till you go blue and I'll still be convinced that the problems in schools when it comes to clothing, rest entirely on adults who choose to sexualize the girls. That stuff is rooted in policy that adults make, and the kids simply live up to it.


Laura

Well, I can understand this, Tansy_Gold Jun 2014 #1
'I don’t have to understand the rules, I just have to comply by them.' elleng Jun 2014 #2
This pisses me off to no end laundry_queen Jun 2014 #3
the boys at your daughter's school can go shirtless? dsc Jun 2014 #7
Boys at your daughters school can go shirtless? lunamagica Jun 2014 #8
Shirtless? Do you mean like in gym and/or swimming classes? Orrex Jun 2014 #11
No, not in the classroom, lol. laundry_queen Jun 2014 #12
Got it. LOL. Orrex Jun 2014 #13
And I have heard tales from guys who felt themselves.... alphafemale Jun 2014 #17
yeah nobody should HAVE to take a shirt off laundry_queen Jun 2014 #20
The guys have plenty of rules as well. alphafemale Jun 2014 #26
Well laundry_queen Jun 2014 #31
That was me. progressoid Jun 2014 #44
Gym has institutionalized bullying in the school culture for generations. alphafemale Jun 2014 #54
A decent number of high school boys would prefer NOT to go shirtless. hughee99 Jun 2014 #18
Yeah but the difference being rules against it laundry_queen Jun 2014 #19
I don't think you quite understood the point I was making. hughee99 Jun 2014 #23
yeah, I don't agree with that laundry_queen Jun 2014 #28
gotta love double standards... iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #22
ha, I graduated in the early 90's laundry_queen Jun 2014 #29
Here we have people comparing not wearing a shirt at all boston bean Jun 2014 #33
"teach boys that girls are not sexual objects.” louis-t Jun 2014 #4
I would tend to agree. Doctor_J Jun 2014 #5
Right answer, completely wrong justification. Nine Jun 2014 #6
Boys (and men, for that matter) can control their actions... thesquanderer Jun 2014 #9
That wasn't really the point. louis-t Jun 2014 #77
Does any one remember what hormones due to teenage boys? the same as for girls. so? and ya... seabeyond Jun 2014 #45
sad how so many people think only boys have hormonal urges Skittles Jun 2014 #51
It's an honorable goal IronLionZion Jun 2014 #66
we girls could not wear slacks demigoddess Jun 2014 #10
Are you from Texas? rickyhall Jun 2014 #16
I lived in TX until I was 12, and ironically Nevernose Jun 2014 #39
If the boys showed up in spandex, the girls wouldnt be distracted? davidn3600 Jun 2014 #14
some people just arent happy unless they have something to rage over leftyohiolib Jun 2014 #30
why would that be distracting ? JI7 Jun 2014 #36
it becomes a norm. i grew up around swimmers, in speedos all my youth. seabeyond Jun 2014 #46
I hated speedos so much IronLionZion Jun 2014 #63
those jumping up and down, clapping their hands, yelling boobies, boobies, are the ones that cant seabeyond Jun 2014 #67
I can handle it, but choose not to partake IronLionZion Jun 2014 #68
that is the thing. in our oddest of way... we have compartmentalized our nudity in one slot only. seabeyond Jun 2014 #69
Careful with the camera IronLionZion Jun 2014 #78
ya. i am just not afraid. lol. something was up there, i am sure. i do not see we are to that seabeyond Jun 2014 #79
A boy got sent home for wearing bike shorts IronLionZion Jun 2014 #62
now, this is the other fun i have today. my boys. are so comfortable with their body. seabeyond Jun 2014 #70
My brain just died. WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #83
I'm okay with realistic SheilaT Jun 2014 #15
Reasonable dress codes are NOT an affront to anyone's rights. alphafemale Jun 2014 #21
What kind of shorts? Details matter. Throd Jun 2014 #24
I am assuming the outfit she was wearing is the one in the article Ash_F Jun 2014 #25
Those shorts are hardly skimpy "booty shorts." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2014 #35
Another inch on those shorts would have made zero difference riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #41
Yeah,I'm not seeing the problem and sufrommich Jun 2014 #42
those shorts came close to the fingertip test anyway... i tried it our on myself. seabeyond Jun 2014 #47
those are decent shorts steve2470 Jun 2014 #53
DU showing its age in this thread. /nt Ash_F Jun 2014 #27
Really? Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #58
That's adorable. /nt Ash_F Jun 2014 #73
That's what I thought. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #80
South Florida Public Schools HockeyMom Jun 2014 #32
??? Kids are allowed to wear shorts to school ??? MadrasT Jun 2014 #34
i cant get son to wear jeans when it is single digit. ya, they wear shorts, lol. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #48
Kids' school dress codes are more liberal than job dress codes. My last job was at a Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #37
My only problem with dress codes is how they sometimes word them. gollygee Jun 2014 #38
Sounds like those administrators have way too much free time Nevernose Jun 2014 #40
and certainly a terrible way to deal with a dress code G_j Jun 2014 #43
Well... Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #55
Good point Nevernose Jun 2014 #57
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #65
"Fingertip length" is a common and reasonable (IMO) dress code. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #49
These left over traditions from our puritanical past need to die. LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #50
This is in Canada, not the US... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #52
I bet the school admins don't like Sports Illustrated either (nt) The Straight Story Jun 2014 #56
what? da doors didnt work for you? seabeyond Jun 2014 #59
Gawd, we are LIVING this shit right now in my household. davsand Jun 2014 #60
+ 1000000!!!!! Bravo! Im also the mom of a 17 yr old daughter in the exact same situation riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #64
see. this is too cool listening to you two. two boys. uh hu. hm. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #72
Oh--we've even discussed the idea of writing the GED over the summer and starting college this fall. davsand Jun 2014 #74
Our daughters must be kindred souls. Mine just finished both her jr and sr years in one year riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #76
I love seeing this next generation in action! davsand Jun 2014 #81
"The schizophrenia represented here leaves me shaking my head." this. this. lol. seabeyond Jun 2014 #71
Very,very well said. nt sufrommich Jun 2014 #75
+1 gollygee Jun 2014 #82
"Vice principles" are the worst kind of principles IronLionZion Jun 2014 #61
I support dress codes, as long as treat both sexes fairly. Were her shorts very short? KittyWampus Jun 2014 #84
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