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13. The post-Sandy Hook debacle was a political miscalculation on the part of the Dems

Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:21 AM

Jun 2014

Yes there was near universal support for universal background checks. But instead of introducing a bill to pass just that, Democratic leaders in Congress introduced every gun control law they have failed to pass in the past - including an AWB. They felt that they had enough public support to steamroll the NRA and if that failed, at least they could force the Republicans to vote against gun control.

That plane got blown to hell when Harry Reid decided that protecting the Democratic majority in the Senate was more important - the Democratic controlled Senate is where the post Sandy Hook gun control bills died.

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Jon Stewart: The NRA has us at the intersection of ‘open carry’ and ‘stand your ground’ [View all] doxydad Jun 2014 OP

That was fantastic! elias49 Jun 2014 #1

It appears to be the anti-gunner fantasy to have gun owners shooting each other... aikoaiko Jun 2014 #2

It's not that we want it to happen Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #3

Open carry is a bad idea, period...Stand your Ground is an evil one. Moostache Jun 2014 #11

I don't like the open carry demonstrators either, but it is legal so its hard to stop. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #12

Not sensing any empathy for today's dead in that "Carry on", aikoakiko. toby jo Jun 2014 #16

And your empathy? Where is it? I keep looking in your post, but.... aikoaiko Jun 2014 #17

It's difficult to have empathy for people acting in a dangerous and stupid fashion. Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #54

Gun Lovers robersl Jun 2014 #18

^ THIS ^ mac56 Jun 2014 #22

Nicely stated alcibiades_mystery Jun 2014 #23

Great post. myrna minx Jun 2014 #24

Yep. laundry_queen Jun 2014 #30

People complain about slow economic growth. Turbineguy Jun 2014 #74

Not an accurate statement. Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #26

Yes, you would think the open carriers and mass shootings would lead to more gun control.. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #27

I am pro-firearms ownership. Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #37

When MAIG and the Brady Campaign roll back on their demands in search of middle ground... derby378 Jun 2014 #38

Nobody important talks to me, I'm just a disabled guy in Beloit. Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #43

One historical point here: Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #55

I gave credit to the Germans in general in the 30s. Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #57

"Accepting that someone with a different opinion than yours The Green Manalishi Jun 2014 #75

Be my guest. Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #77

Excuse me, but it is not legal. Jerry442 Jun 2014 #44

A slung long gun or holstered handgun doesn't rise to the same threat as your examples. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #46

My gas can,my lighter, my ax, and my car are all legal. Jerry442 Jun 2014 #47

Of course. Whether something is threatening has to do with the behavior. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #48

And walking around, carrying a firearm, is also threatening. Apparently, you don't see that. Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #56

Tell that to the students at Seattle Pacific University. pnwmom Jun 2014 #59

I'm completely in favor of those open carry demonstrators. Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #49

At most they'll get open carry banned, but even that would be gigantic win aikoaiko Jun 2014 #50

They're showing the true face of RKBA to the American people. Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #52

I used to think that too. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #53

Open carry is NOT illegal in every state, but it should be. pnwmom Jun 2014 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Jun 2014 #65

I meant to say "illegal." pnwmom Jun 2014 #70

OK! I will delete my response! Thanks! n-t Logical Jun 2014 #72

I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about open carry activists who carry openly where legal? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #68

My subject line was completely wrong. I oppose open carry. pnwmom Jun 2014 #71

Ahh, your posts are not helping. n-t Logical Jun 2014 #64

Helping whom? or what? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #67

It appears for some, they consider it an honor to die at the business end of a gun or... Tikki Jun 2014 #28

I am an "anti-gunner" of highest degree etherealtruth Jun 2014 #29

I don't want anybody shooting anybody. And that's the point. Aristus Jun 2014 #61

Ok, if thats what floats your boat then so be it. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #62

It happens all the time....only it doesn't. ileus Jun 2014 #4

The only difference between an open carrier and an active shooter is MNBrewer Jun 2014 #5

Pretty slim distinction. Very good reply. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #6

Or an "accidental discharge". (NT) Heywood J Jun 2014 #8

Better safe than sorry? Electric Monk Jun 2014 #36

It only takes one mistake by an open carrier or stand-your-grounder JDPriestly Jun 2014 #34

Funny how trained LEO many times have difficulty doing so, but toters don't. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #41

I disagree. I am a member of the Jewish Community Center that was the location of the shootings..... Logical Jun 2014 #66

Really good segment. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #7

Guns in America show us all 90-percent Jun 2014 #9

The post-Sandy Hook debacle was a political miscalculation on the part of the Dems hack89 Jun 2014 #13

Thanks 90-percent Jun 2014 #15

If Jon Stewart is right, this problem may take care of itself. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #33

People have an "ostensible" vote for a representative. ananda Jun 2014 #14

We can bame it on the NRA, which buys votes, or on the legislators, who sell votes. merrily Jun 2014 #10

The real genius of the show was in the second segment mountain grammy Jun 2014 #19

The main point of part 2 seems to be the 2nd amendment only applies to white people. tclambert Jun 2014 #21

That was certainly part of the original intent, at least in slave states. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #32

Exactly! mountain grammy Jun 2014 #40

K&R billh58 Jun 2014 #20

‘Gunfight at the Golden Corral.’ Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #25

Jon Stewart (or whoever wrote that for him): YOU ARE BRILLIANT! JDPriestly Jun 2014 #31

Stay out of schools , malls , churches , and post offices , and let the open carry kill the stand geretogo Jun 2014 #35

An armed society is a polite society alfredo Jun 2014 #39

doxydad Diclotican Jun 2014 #42

Completely brilliant distillation of the craziness The Blue Flower Jun 2014 #45

NRA: Arms dealers. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #51

How long, I wonder DirkGently Jun 2014 #60

So safe Electric Monk Jun 2014 #63

I swear I thought of exactly this before I DirkGently Jun 2014 #69

Funny that our mainstream media is too chicken shit to go after the NRA... Initech Jun 2014 #73

He's brilliant as always davidpdx Jun 2014 #76