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freshwest

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59. Paul Ryan pushed this in 2012 to repeal the 14th Amendment with its clauses of
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:31 PM
Jun 2014
Birthright Citizenship, Due Process, Equal Protection Under The Law and the rest of it.

He and his supporters were filmed in a meeting posted on youtube (since removed) saying that as soon as they turned 38 legislatures 'red,' they'd do it. This is a the Koch brothers wet dream. We know the agenda:

The Koch brothers will write the new Constitution.

Bernie Sanders (VT) and whoever got this going in CA should explain why they won't use this to enact their platform:

BERNIE SANDERS Uncovers 1980 Koch Agenda- "What Do the Koch Brothers Want?"

What else do the Koch brothers want?


In 1980, David Koch ran as the Libertarian Party’s vice-presidential candidate in 1980.

Let’s take a look at the 1980 Libertarian Party platform.

Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:

“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”

“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”

“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”

“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”

“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”

“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”

“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”

“We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”

“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”

“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”

“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”

“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”

“We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”

“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”

“We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”

“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”

“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”

“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”

“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”

“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”

“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”

“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”

“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”

“We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country...

Tomorrow it will be Social Security, ending Medicare as we know it, repealing the minimum wage. It seems to me that the Koch brothers will not be content until they get everything they believe they are entitled to.

Our great nation can no longer be hijacked by right-wing billionaires like the Koch brothers.

For the sake of our children and our grandchildren, for the sake of our economy, we have got to let democracy prevail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a7980koch

to kpete:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

The people who drank the Koch-aid are voting in people to do what the Koch brothers want for America. Only an amendment to the Constitution regarding Citizens United is what people think is the beginning and end of this. And we're blindly cheering this?
Woo Hoo !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #1
Worst. Idea. EVER! MohRokTah Jun 2014 #2
And then 3/4 of the states will ratify those changes? NCcoast Jun 2014 #3
Better go looking at what party controls the legislatures of the states. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #5
Not a red-blue issue. radiclib Jun 2014 #21
Of course they are in favor of it Bartlet Jun 2014 #23
Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing! longship Jun 2014 #25
the Freepers are rejoicing about this. grasswire Jun 2014 #30
Maybe you could provide me a link to that rejoicing NCcoast Jun 2014 #57
"(BTW, fleas suck ones blood.)" Plucketeer Jun 2014 #36
Exactly why I am afraid of this method dragonlady Jun 2014 #71
So you're opposed to ever amending the constitution in any way? hobbit709 Jun 2014 #4
Nope, just in the way it's been done the entire existence of the nation. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #6
I guess you like going around in steadily decreasing circles. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #7
No, I don't like risking the constitutiion to the whims of reps chosen by state legislatures. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #9
And just how do expect to change anything except as outlined in Article V? hobbit709 Jun 2014 #10
Use the same method that has been used as long as we have existed. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #11
Which is also spelled out in Article V. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #12
You're going in circles. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #14
Just following you. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #15
Yes you are, and you have tightened the noose until it looks like he choked. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #78
But that takes too long ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #56
You do realize the convention only PROPOSES amendments, right? It doesn't ratify anything. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #18
38 states have Republican legislatures MohRokTah Jun 2014 #26
And that's the case for ANY amendment. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #39
Only if you get it through Congress first. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #41
Republicans don't have close to 3/4 of state legislatures. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #43
It took 202 years to ratify the 27th amendment. tclambert Jun 2014 #46
Political will is required. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #48
A fucking straw man argument. longship Jun 2014 #28
The OP says "Article V Convention" What part of "Convention" do you not understand" yellowcanine Jun 2014 #67
Total nonsense. radiclib Jun 2014 #20
Read the text of the Article MohRokTah Jun 2014 #22
I've been wondering about that a bit: California's resolution makes reference petronius Jun 2014 #29
Yes, sorta. I wrote a paper on this in college for a Political Theory class. Chan790 Jun 2014 #65
I didn't say anything about specific amendments radiclib Jun 2014 #34
Each state has equal representation in the convention. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #40
Either you didn't read, or deliberately chose not to understand, what I said radiclib Jun 2014 #45
No, you are completely wrong. Bartlet Jun 2014 #27
I agree with everything in your first paragraph and never said anything different. radiclib Jun 2014 #44
Every Republican in my state is totally corrupt, as are half the Democrats. This is a bad idea. Scuba Jun 2014 #72
Countless Republicans who have not been corrupted? dragonlady Jun 2014 #73
The last times it was amended, it took a percentage of congress PLUS shraby Jun 2014 #54
That's not how Art. V conventions work. Chan790 Jun 2014 #64
True. Theoretically they could throw out the entire constitution and replace totodeinhere Jun 2014 #69
you are right--this is a threat, not an opportunity kiri Jun 2014 #74
We are currently being bled dry both of our liberties and wealth. The status quo will only rhett o rick Jun 2014 #85
I refuse to support an Article V convention MohRokTah Jun 2014 #86
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2014 #8
It can be done. pa28 Jun 2014 #13
K & R Iliyah Jun 2014 #16
As California goes, so goes the nation Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #17
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #19
ABSOLUTELY WORST IDEA EVER. OldRedneck Jun 2014 #24
I have always been taught how dangerous this is. grasswire Jun 2014 #31
More Info: WillyT Jun 2014 #42
It is playing with dynamite hueymahl Jun 2014 #80
+ struggle4progress Jun 2014 #38
True. A lot of right wingers have been calling for an Article V convention but for totodeinhere Jun 2014 #70
Congratulations California cantbeserious Jun 2014 #32
A little history on how we went from the Articles of Confederation ... Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #33
You are referring to the Constitutional Convention, which is different from Article V radiclib Jun 2014 #35
One more time: Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #37
There has not been an Article V convention in the entire history of this nation. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #49
First time for everything! radiclib Jun 2014 #50
I am positive an Article V Convention would make things worse. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #51
Just wondering.. radiclib Jun 2014 #53
So now you resort to an ad hominem in the form of a Fox News question. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #55
It very well might. At least some scholars believe that in an Article V Convention totodeinhere Jun 2014 #75
Thank you NCcoast Jun 2014 #52
California Dreamin' (thumbs up) K&R Babel_17 Jun 2014 #47
I'm not worried Dwayne Hicks Jun 2014 #58
8 additional states would easily vote for some very bad things. jeff47 Jun 2014 #76
No way Dwayne Hicks Jun 2014 #83
Democrats already voted for laws to enact such things. jeff47 Jun 2014 #84
Paul Ryan pushed this in 2012 to repeal the 14th Amendment with its clauses of freshwest Jun 2014 #59
I wouldn't argue with anything you've said NCcoast Jun 2014 #60
The amendment that has been offered is specific. No amendment in the Constitution after the 10th... freshwest Jun 2014 #61
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #62
Doooooo iiiiiiit Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #63
Being a Vermonter, I applaud California for following our lead salib Jun 2014 #66
Yes! One step closer to getting money out of politics. blackspade Jun 2014 #68
The people who like this really don't understand what they are unleashing. jeff47 Jun 2014 #77
You are 100% correct. It's the same thing I said upthread. totodeinhere Jun 2014 #79
Let me add to the Chorus - BAD, BAD IDEA!!!! hueymahl Jun 2014 #81
Just another feudal effort,,,, Cryptoad Jun 2014 #82
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