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In reply to the discussion: California has just called for an Articale V Convention [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)59. Paul Ryan pushed this in 2012 to repeal the 14th Amendment with its clauses of
Birthright Citizenship, Due Process, Equal Protection Under The Law and the rest of it.
He and his supporters were filmed in a meeting posted on youtube (since removed) saying that as soon as they turned 38 legislatures 'red,' they'd do it. This is a the Koch brothers wet dream. We know the agenda:
The Koch brothers will write the new Constitution.
Bernie Sanders (VT) and whoever got this going in CA should explain why they won't use this to enact their platform:
BERNIE SANDERS Uncovers 1980 Koch Agenda- "What Do the Koch Brothers Want?"
What else do the Koch brothers want?
In 1980, David Koch ran as the Libertarian Partys vice-presidential candidate in 1980.
Lets take a look at the 1980 Libertarian Party platform.
Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country...
Tomorrow it will be Social Security, ending Medicare as we know it, repealing the minimum wage. It seems to me that the Koch brothers will not be content until they get everything they believe they are entitled to.
Our great nation can no longer be hijacked by right-wing billionaires like the Koch brothers.
For the sake of our children and our grandchildren, for the sake of our economy, we have got to let democracy prevail.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a7980koch
to kpete:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
The people who drank the Koch-aid are voting in people to do what the Koch brothers want for America. Only an amendment to the Constitution regarding Citizens United is what people think is the beginning and end of this. And we're blindly cheering this?
He and his supporters were filmed in a meeting posted on youtube (since removed) saying that as soon as they turned 38 legislatures 'red,' they'd do it. This is a the Koch brothers wet dream. We know the agenda:
The Koch brothers will write the new Constitution.
Bernie Sanders (VT) and whoever got this going in CA should explain why they won't use this to enact their platform:
BERNIE SANDERS Uncovers 1980 Koch Agenda- "What Do the Koch Brothers Want?"
What else do the Koch brothers want?
In 1980, David Koch ran as the Libertarian Partys vice-presidential candidate in 1980.
Lets take a look at the 1980 Libertarian Party platform.
Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.
We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.
We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.
We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.
We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.
We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.
We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.
We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.
As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.
We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.
We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.
We condemn compulsory education laws and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.
We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.
We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.
We support abolition of the Department of Energy.
We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.
We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.
We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.
We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.
We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.
We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.
We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and aid to the poor programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.
We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.
We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.
We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
We support the repeal of all state usury laws.
In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country...
Tomorrow it will be Social Security, ending Medicare as we know it, repealing the minimum wage. It seems to me that the Koch brothers will not be content until they get everything they believe they are entitled to.
Our great nation can no longer be hijacked by right-wing billionaires like the Koch brothers.
For the sake of our children and our grandchildren, for the sake of our economy, we have got to let democracy prevail.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a7980koch
to kpete:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
The people who drank the Koch-aid are voting in people to do what the Koch brothers want for America. Only an amendment to the Constitution regarding Citizens United is what people think is the beginning and end of this. And we're blindly cheering this?
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No, I don't like risking the constitutiion to the whims of reps chosen by state legislatures.
MohRokTah
Jun 2014
#9
Yes you are, and you have tightened the noose until it looks like he choked.
Fred Sanders
Jun 2014
#78
You do realize the convention only PROPOSES amendments, right? It doesn't ratify anything.
NYC Liberal
Jun 2014
#18
The OP says "Article V Convention" What part of "Convention" do you not understand"
yellowcanine
Jun 2014
#67
I've been wondering about that a bit: California's resolution makes reference
petronius
Jun 2014
#29
I agree with everything in your first paragraph and never said anything different.
radiclib
Jun 2014
#44
Every Republican in my state is totally corrupt, as are half the Democrats. This is a bad idea.
Scuba
Jun 2014
#72
True. Theoretically they could throw out the entire constitution and replace
totodeinhere
Jun 2014
#69
We are currently being bled dry both of our liberties and wealth. The status quo will only
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#85
True. A lot of right wingers have been calling for an Article V convention but for
totodeinhere
Jun 2014
#70
A little history on how we went from the Articles of Confederation ...
Benton D Struckcheon
Jun 2014
#33
You are referring to the Constitutional Convention, which is different from Article V
radiclib
Jun 2014
#35
There has not been an Article V convention in the entire history of this nation.
MohRokTah
Jun 2014
#49
It very well might. At least some scholars believe that in an Article V Convention
totodeinhere
Jun 2014
#75
Paul Ryan pushed this in 2012 to repeal the 14th Amendment with its clauses of
freshwest
Jun 2014
#59