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pnwmom

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45. Here is what you don't understand. The GMO producers do control the research,
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Tue Jul 15, 2014, 05:59 PM - Edit history (2)

because they control the seeds. They can decide who they will and won't allow to study their product, and they can require them to sign confidentiality agreements that ban researchers from publishing without permission.

If they allowed independent researchers full and unfettered access to their seeds for research, then the studies the manufacturers point to would have a lot more credibility.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-seed-companies-control-gm-crop-research/

Unfortunately, it is impossible to verify that genetically modified crops perform as advertised. That is because agritech companies have given themselves veto power over the work of independent researchers.

To purchase genetically modified seeds, a customer must sign an agreement that limits what can be done with them. (If you have installed software recently, you will recognize the concept of the end-user agreement.) Agreements are considered necessary to protect a company’s intellectual property, and they justifiably preclude the replication of the genetic enhancements that make the seeds unique. But agritech companies such as Monsanto, Pioneer and Syngenta go further. For a decade their user agreements have explicitly forbidden the use of the seeds for any independent research. Under the threat of litigation, scientists cannot test a seed to explore the different conditions under which it thrives or fails. They cannot compare seeds from one company against those from another company. And perhaps most important, they cannot examine whether the genetically modified crops lead to unintended environmental side effects.

Research on genetically modified seeds is still published, of course. But only studies that the seed companies have approved ever see the light of a peer-reviewed journal. In a number of cases, experiments that had the implicit go-ahead from the seed company were later blocked from publication because the results were not flattering. “It is important to understand that it is not always simply a matter of blanket denial of all research requests, which is bad enough,” wrote Elson J. Shields, an entomologist at Cornell University, in a letter to an official at the Environmental Protection Agency (the body tasked with regulating the environmental consequences of genetically modified crops), “but selective denials and permissions based on industry perceptions of how ‘friendly’ or ‘hostile’ a particular scientist may be toward [seed-enhancement] technology.”

Can consumers please decide for THEMSELVES? closeupready Jul 2014 #1
Best response ever on GMO. Democracy over "science!". Cha Jul 2014 #7
Decide based on what? Silent3 Jul 2014 #13
I drank a Guinness beer yesterday because roody Jul 2014 #26
Way to contradict yourself in the middle right there. alp227 Jul 2014 #14
People buy what they want to buy. They should know what they are being sold. Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #18
HOW do you make informed choices ... WITHOUT "Contains GMO" on the label? closeupready Jul 2014 #20
There's no evidence that GMO's are harmful, alp227 Jul 2014 #23
You better get over to Europe and tell roody Jul 2014 #28
There is at least one triple-peer-reviewed article out there PDJane Jul 2014 #29
Seralini right? alp227 Jul 2014 #30
it was "republished" when the authors paid a fake vanity journal to publish it WITHOUT peer review mike_c Jul 2014 #31
Very disappointed in your recent change of tone, alp227. closeupready Jul 2014 #33
There's no evidence that rat meat is harmful, either... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #37
BINGO laundry_queen Jul 2014 #44
I bought some hair gel because the roody Jul 2014 #27
Here lunasun Jul 2014 #52
Love it! Thanks. roody Jul 2014 #55
Common sense, gleaned from personal past life experiences, comes to mind. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #35
You are chastising prospective responders for pre-emptive responses that are formed without Squinch Jul 2014 #2
Nicely done, thanks. Scuba Jul 2014 #40
Wanna Borrow a Jack el_bryanto Jul 2014 #3
I'm guessing the internet wasn't around when you were a kid. Silent3 Jul 2014 #17
no shit GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #4
I knew it was going to be a partisan propaganda piece, and it was. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #5
Bunch of errors in the article KT2000 Jul 2014 #6
I read it. Here's my debunking of his 'debunking'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #8
Debunking a claim doesn't mean proving the diametric opposite of the claim... Silent3 Jul 2014 #21
I agree that it does not require the diametric opposite. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #25
+1 laundry_queen Jul 2014 #46
You basically summed up my own objections Armstead Jul 2014 #51
Corporations want a chokehold on absolutely everything. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #56
Yep -- Get your "Pure Air Bottle" at your local 7-11 Armstead Jul 2014 #58
From what I read online, the anti-GMO crowd doesn't base any of its House Jul 2014 #9
This poster's privileges have been revoked - glad to hear it! Divernan Jul 2014 #65
Your introduction H2O Man Jul 2014 #10
One of the most embarrassing sentiments on the left today. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #11
There should be a choice, for farmers and for consumers. Does democracy frighten you? Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #12
Where did I, or the linked article... Silent3 Jul 2014 #15
Gee, I missed the part where I claimed you said anything. I was speaking my mind. Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #16
So I should have taken the the very pointed-sound question "Does democracy frighten you?" Silent3 Jul 2014 #19
As someone connected to farming goldent Jul 2014 #22
you can still do it with GM cotton and soy... mike_c Jul 2014 #34
I hear what you are saying goldent Jul 2014 #36
Can't argue against any of the points raised as they expressed them. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #24
that's generally a pretty good article.... mike_c Jul 2014 #32
Okay here we go... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #38
^^^^^^ What ljm2002 said. Squinch Jul 2014 #41
First of all, thank you for going point by point... Silent3 Jul 2014 #42
You say I misunderstood the purpose of the article... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #43
Yes! especially to your last sentence. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #47
I'm not well-educated enough on these issues to ultimately decide which side is right aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 Jul 2014 #38
Here is what you don't understand. The GMO producers do control the research, pnwmom Jul 2014 #45
That's a very important point... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #49
That I'll admit is concerning Silent3 Jul 2014 #66
So where is the harm in labeling Blue_In_AK Jul 2014 #50
I'm OK with GMO customerserviceguy Jul 2014 #53
I see what you did there. Blue_In_AK Jul 2014 #54
You get what you pay for n/t n2doc Jul 2014 #57
Did anyone mention there being harm in labeling? n/t Silent3 Jul 2014 #59
If GMO's are labeled, GMO-producer market share will suffer, closeupready Jul 2014 #60
I'm not arguing with what you've just said... Silent3 Jul 2014 #61
Oh, I see - I think he/she was likely just throwing that out there, closeupready Jul 2014 #62
I wouldn't call my self pro-GMO, just more anti-ERMERGERD!!! IT'S POISON1!1!!! Silent3 Jul 2014 #64
GMO's by corporations are modeled on hierarchy (just like Corporations) nolabels Jul 2014 #67
Exactly. closeupready Jul 2014 #69
Yeah, I did. Blue_In_AK Jul 2014 #68
Didn't someone just post a link to an article stating GMO foods are less nutritious justiceischeap Jul 2014 #63
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