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MH1

(17,689 posts)
32. 12 hour workdays are not a "poor excuse" for mistakes on the job.
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 10:28 AM
Oct 2014

That is why truck drivers are required to take breaks.

Hell, I can be fairly fried by hour 8 of day 4 of my job in any given week, and I work (nominally) 8 hour days at a far less stressful and hectic job than nursing.

And let's not even mention the way the DOCTORS are pressured to "process" patients in the least possible time. I'm sure the ER is much worse than scheduled appointments.

I refuse to blame the nurses or doctors. I blame the failure of the US populace to insist on the implementation of a high quality, standardized electronic health record system that could easily be updated to flag patients based on certain information. As a programmer I know what is possible, and I also know something about what is and isn't happening in the EHR world. It's disgraceful. Like almost everything else in this country, it is being driven by capitalist theory and profit motive, rather than what is best for society. Thus we have a multitude of disjointed, difficult to use EHR systems that probably make it impossible for the CDC to rapidly apply a new protocol for an emerging epidemic. (Let's imagine for the moment that we aren't discussing ebola, but something far more contagious by being airborne or having more prevalent animal hosts.)

It would be fairly simple to program the EHR to flag the record based on the content (or missing content) in certain responses, and popup a bright red warning message when someone tries to mark the record to be discharged. Probably this hospital has already attempted to do that, now, after this incident. But what about every other hospital in the country? We are relying on every hospital or hospital system with a discrete EHR software instance, to ask their IT staff to apply a change like this. Which will get done when the IT staff gets to it. Which may only be after the first ebola patient comes through that hospital's ER. And that's only the hospitals ... what about doctor's offices? Other clinics?

Anyway, in short, the blame belongs to the demands of capitalism and profit motive being applied to a supposed "health care" system.

(I do want to be clear that I don't think everyone involved in health care and EHR development are "evil profiteers". I think most are well-meaning people trying to do good, but trapped in an evil profiteering and counterproductive system that has unfortunate consequences for patients and society in general.)

You left out the druggies that routinely arrive having extreme pain that over appleannie1 Oct 2014 #1
I debated including them, but decided against it due to space issues. IdaBriggs Oct 2014 #46
This guy might actually save people's live's... JaneyVee Oct 2014 #2
I think you hit it on the head DrDan Oct 2014 #3
+1,000,000,000 magical thyme Oct 2014 #4
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #5
Yeah. They need to look at how many other hospitals had protocols in place that would have flagged brewens Oct 2014 #6
Sound reasonable but because of the news I'll bet they will find a fall guy. Kablooie Oct 2014 #7
Their fall guy will be the nurse csziggy Oct 2014 #50
Yes. Overworked nurses can easily take the blame. As always. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #55
Nurses have always taken the blame for doctors csziggy Oct 2014 #56
sort of related story ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #8
Watermelon juice BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #48
It was a software glitch. The travel info was not transferred from admissions to doctors. librechik Oct 2014 #9
the hospital has retracted the computer glitch dogshit lie. cali Oct 2014 #13
Yes, I just saw THAT BS --shameless librechik Oct 2014 #14
that's a poor excuse. This has been a blaring top story for fucking weeks and weeks cali Oct 2014 #10
12 hour workdays are not a "poor excuse" for mistakes on the job. MH1 Oct 2014 #32
Why is that a bad excuse? treestar Oct 2014 #36
Exactly, that is what I am saying to the poster I replied to. MH1 Oct 2014 #37
A coordinted National Health System Hari Seldon Oct 2014 #11
Quite reasonable! Ilsa Oct 2014 #12
What gets me is the media SmittynMo Oct 2014 #15
Reasonable theory. KoKo Oct 2014 #16
You are correct. Just that correctness does not generate the desired fear the media desire. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #17
Did he have insurance and did that affect decision? Sienna86 Oct 2014 #18
Good question BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #49
I agree riverbendviewgal Oct 2014 #19
rec for reality. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #20
I absolutely agree on the hospital staff's actions but... Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2014 #21
that is my problem. 10 days ago i was with a woman that died from ebola. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #28
What? How did you manage that?? B2G Oct 2014 #40
good point treestar Oct 2014 #35
The patient and family MrsBrady Oct 2014 #51
Right-- he told them he had come from Liberia. And I don't mean to defend the hospital, but... Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2014 #58
Knowing to protect themselves from Hepatitis from any number of persons coming in to the ER, DhhD Oct 2014 #22
Hope the family sues and the case goes back to the Supreme Court over refusal of DhhD Oct 2014 #25
That's another good point, that brings it back to the perniciousness of capitalism MH1 Oct 2014 #38
thank you for the dose of reality nashville_brook Oct 2014 #23
Part of the problem is that DUers... Whiskeytide Oct 2014 #24
Governor Rick Perry needs to be held responsible for the screw-up. DhhD Oct 2014 #26
There was a good post the past day or two about the understaffing of America CrispyQ Oct 2014 #27
In 1954 I Had Low Grade Fever & Leg Pain - Hospital Said Flu otohara Oct 2014 #29
Yes. yardwork Oct 2014 #30
A good point, I agree people are way too willing to judge others' treestar Oct 2014 #31
*1000 blackspade Oct 2014 #33
Couple things wrong with this VA_Jill Oct 2014 #34
.. justabob Oct 2014 #44
Presby is a not-for-profit hospital. Horse with no Name Oct 2014 #54
The insurance companies broke our health care system out of sheer greed. mountain grammy Oct 2014 #39
Also, was it the lack of or limited health insurance coverage Iliyah Oct 2014 #41
Sounds reasonable and like most of our lives. jwirr Oct 2014 #42
CDC has been providing hospitals and expecially ERs with detailed guidance on this whole ebola thing kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #43
Or, the triage nurse could've received a memo about patients from "West Africa"... Barack_America Oct 2014 #45
If he was an American, maybe XemaSab Oct 2014 #47
There are actually quite a few Black Africans from Africa in Dallas Horse with no Name Oct 2014 #53
Presby is a good hospital. They don't turf out uninsured patients. Horse with no Name Oct 2014 #52
Well put. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2014 #57
K&R KoKo Oct 2014 #59
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