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daleanime

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12. Unofficial?

Reply to ucrdem (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:34 AM

Dec 2014

He did not want to pursue it, and you think that's a good thing?

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NYT Op-ed: Pardon Bush and Those Who Tortured [View all] ErikJ Dec 2014 OP

The fact that they asked for pardons MiniMe Dec 2014 #1

Sorry to disagree, but a UN treaty to which the US is party and domestic law already prove merrily Dec 2014 #2

"Obama granted unofficial immunitypardon" ucrdem Dec 2014 #6

"We need to look forward...." daleanime Dec 2014 #8

So he issued no such pardon. Thanks! nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #10

Unofficial? daleanime Dec 2014 #12

What part of "unofficial" is too complicated for you? Didn't prosecute, did he? Just let the merrily Dec 2014 #14

+1 daleanime Dec 2014 #7

Yes, and I appreciate that. However, there is legal technicality and then there is public merrily Dec 2014 #31

But it will be the only way to officially recognize crimes occurred. ErikJ Dec 2014 #15

Ford clung to that after he pardoned Nixon, but a lot of people think it means you were not merrily Dec 2014 #19

The point that I got listening to him was that if the case is left unsettled then the door is left jwirr Dec 2014 #28

I wasn't aware there was a statute of limitations on war crimes. Maybe I shraby Dec 2014 #3

There are those who feel Eichmann's trial was unjust Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #5

Committing genocide, including of Jews who are fellow Germans in Germany, is not a war. merrily Dec 2014 #16

I doubt that a pardon will mean anything to ICC. jwirr Dec 2014 #29

The other reason for a pardon is that it eliminates their 5th Amendment shelter Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #4

If it leads to the US stopping these practices.... daleanime Dec 2014 #13

Immunity doesn't necessarily get you the truth. merrily Dec 2014 #17

And to your pardon I'll call you and raise you a prosecute. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #9

I agree but how are we going to get a prosecution? If it were that easy it should have been done a jwirr Dec 2014 #30

Allowing the use of torture was one of GW's worst mistakes Albertoo Dec 2014 #11

Bush was not the only one who "allowed" it. merrily Dec 2014 #18

extraordinary rendition is another -more complex- issue. Albertoo Dec 2014 #22

Extraordinary rendition is shipping our prisioners overseas to be TORTURED by merrily Dec 2014 #24

The difference between torture and rendition Albertoo Dec 2014 #25

Extraordinary rendition is not what you are describing. It is forcing people often uncharged with uppityperson Dec 2014 #26

I told him that in Reply 24. And he may well have known before that. merrily Dec 2014 #32

Did you read my post? Stop with the foreign soil. We flew them from the US to places like Syria. merrily Dec 2014 #27

To merrily & uppity, to clarify Albertoo Dec 2014 #34

You raised all that before and it has already been responded to. merrily Dec 2014 #35

Apparently, it's your turn to overlook what I wrote Albertoo Dec 2014 #37

I don't think it was a mistake YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #20

So we disagree on two issues Albertoo Dec 2014 #23

Crikey. Even John McCain thinks torture is a mistake. merrily Dec 2014 #36

I mean that Bush and Cheney didn't do it on accident YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #39

unfortunately, I think this is exactly what Obama may do. yurbud Dec 2014 #21

Obama disagrees. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #33

Not torture... enhanced interragation... intearagatin... damn... mikelewis Dec 2014 #38