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In reply to the discussion: NYT Op-ed: Pardon Bush and Those Who Tortured [View all]jwirr
(39,215 posts)28. The point that I got listening to him was that if the case is left unsettled then the door is left
open for future use of torture. Obama has said a lot but nothing that warns anyone in the future to stop.
By calling this a crime and the perpetrators guilty it warns future torturers that the Bush administration was guilty of a real crime. (Already all we hear from the tortures and much of the media is that it was something that had to be done.)
They also have not suggested that any pardon be given IF we can get them to trial but that does not seem to be going to happen. If we cannot get convictions in a trial then something has to be done to close that door to the future. Make it clear that it was a crime and that the administration is guilty. That is what they want to use the pardon for.
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Sorry to disagree, but a UN treaty to which the US is party and domestic law already prove
merrily
Dec 2014
#2
What part of "unofficial" is too complicated for you? Didn't prosecute, did he? Just let the
merrily
Dec 2014
#14
Yes, and I appreciate that. However, there is legal technicality and then there is public
merrily
Dec 2014
#31
Ford clung to that after he pardoned Nixon, but a lot of people think it means you were not
merrily
Dec 2014
#19
The point that I got listening to him was that if the case is left unsettled then the door is left
jwirr
Dec 2014
#28
Committing genocide, including of Jews who are fellow Germans in Germany, is not a war.
merrily
Dec 2014
#16
The other reason for a pardon is that it eliminates their 5th Amendment shelter
Algernon Moncrieff
Dec 2014
#4
I agree but how are we going to get a prosecution? If it were that easy it should have been done a
jwirr
Dec 2014
#30
Extraordinary rendition is not what you are describing. It is forcing people often uncharged with
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#26