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jeff47

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107. You should really look for another source. That one is awful.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Sucrose (table sugar, aka cane sugar) is a glucose bound to a fructose by an oxygen atom. It is not a "tight" bond. In fact, that bond is broken in your stomach, making it one of the earliest chemical reactions in digestion. Only the chemical breakdown of starch starts earlier. Almost all other chemical reactions in digestion happen in the duodenum, the first part of the small intestine. While you can also find sucrose-breaking enzymes in the duodenum, the vast majority of the work is done in the stomach where the high-acid environment makes them far more efficient.

Glucose and fructose are extremely similar molecules. They're both 6-carbon sugars, and have the same chemical formula (C6 H12 O6). They form rings, with one of the atoms in the ring being an oxygen, the rest are carbons. The difference between them is glucose forms a 6-atom ring with one methyl group, and fructose forms a 5-atom ring with a 2 methyl groups.

HFCS is not created by an ultra-secret recipe. "Regular" corn syrup is 100% glucose. Very basic organic chemistry can turn glucose into fructose, and vice-versa.

Also, HFCS is not only a 55-45 ratio. There's several different mixtures available, all near 50-50.

Also, HFCS is not sweeter than table sugar. They're pretty close to the same. It's possible for fructose to form a 6-atom ring, and that is sweeter than sugar or glucose. The 5-atom ring version is about as sweet as sugar and glucose. But the 6-atom ring isn't stable. Any heating turns it into the 5-atom ring version, and production of HFCS involves heating.

Also, they're utterly wrong about 8oz to 20oz. The size of beverages increased before the mass change to HFCS. You'll also find the "throwback" versions of sodas that use sucrose instead of HFCS are the same price. Also, in places where corn is not heavily subsidized, they sell the same size sodas sweetened with sucrose.

Now back to biochemistry. Since there is there is no chemical bond between them, no digestion is required so they are more rapidly absorbed into your blood stream.

Apparently the author actually needs to go back to biochemistry class. Since sucrose is already broken down into fructose and glucose before it hits the small intestine, sucrose and HFCS are absorbed at the same rate.

Fructose goes right to the liver and triggers lipogenesis (the production of fats like triglycerides and cholesterol)

If that were true, sucrose would cause the same problems. Because again, you're getting 50% glucose and 50% sucrose when eating/drinking sugar.

The rapidly absorbed glucose triggers big spikes in insulin

Again, utterly false. Again, sucrose is broken down before it reaches the small intestine, so it's absorbed at the same rate.

If they can't even get the digestion right, it's pretty laughable to trust them about all the rest of their much more complex assertions.
If I see anything other than s-u-g-a-r, or h-o-n-e-y, I ain't buying it! MADem Jan 2015 #1
Actually edhopper Jan 2015 #4
I don't like corn syrup because it's too easy to have a heavy hand with it. MADem Jan 2015 #6
Well edhopper Jan 2015 #10
Oh, shit--you just made a liar outta me!!! MADem Jan 2015 #13
But as i said edhopper Jan 2015 #16
its in my great-aunt's carmel recipe too. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #113
I had one slice of pecan pie at Christmas, pangaia Jan 2015 #23
I know someone edhopper Jan 2015 #25
I can cook but I can't even bake cookies..... pangaia Jan 2015 #29
Sounds like edhopper Jan 2015 #31
I BEG YOUR PARDON! pangaia Jan 2015 #33
A little early on a Sunday edhopper Jan 2015 #35
Not when the Packers have a bye. pangaia Jan 2015 #37
Well edhopper Jan 2015 #39
A preview of the Lions / Cowboys matchup? FrodosPet Jan 2015 #45
Great !! pangaia Jan 2015 #89
Off topic. Feral Child Jan 2015 #120
That's easy. pangaia Jan 2015 #67
Blotters or tabs? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #76
Jesus CHRIST. It's Sunday!!!! Is nothing sacred with you people? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #155
Here ya go... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #156
Jesus looks like that crazy dude from Creed, there! Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #157
Could be worse... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #158
oh my god that hurts my eyes Hekate Jan 2015 #174
Here's an easy fix for a runny pecan pie filling procon Jan 2015 #47
Thanks. edhopper Jan 2015 #51
You cook the filling before putting it in the pie? grasswire Jan 2015 #99
yep- google brown butter pecan pie- soo good. bettyellen Jan 2015 #136
I use David Rosengarten's recipe... grasswire Jan 2015 #137
I add at least 1/3 more pecans than any recipe calls for, LOL- do not like too much goo. bettyellen Jan 2015 #139
I tried it with a molasses substitute once- Good, but still not the real thing NBachers Jan 2015 #50
You might have to change up the formula a little edhopper Jan 2015 #52
Golden syrup alcina Jan 2015 #64
available through Amazon demigoddess Jan 2015 #73
I have been told that one other requirement for a decent pecan pie truedelphi Jan 2015 #160
Beg to differ. stage left Jan 2015 #83
this is probably a good time to post my favorite ProfessorPlum Jan 2015 #100
100% maple I hope. cstanleytech Jan 2015 #9
I'm from New England...is there any other kind? MADem Jan 2015 #12
Of course not.... daleanime Jan 2015 #17
I don't buy any of it. LWolf Jan 2015 #43
If you like ginger, this is delightful. CrispyQ Jan 2015 #54
Scumbags billhicks76 Jan 2015 #171
Far as I am concerned they can call it whatever they want but its still corn syrup imo. cstanleytech Jan 2015 #2
It's not corn syrup edhopper Jan 2015 #20
What they fear is the educated consumer who actually read labels and research the unrecognized... hlthe2b Jan 2015 #3
"including sugars of all kinds that don't come packaged in a natural fruit form" Thor_MN Jan 2015 #11
natural fructose in fruit includes fiber that acts to modulate its impact on blood sugar rises... hlthe2b Jan 2015 #15
OK, got it. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #28
To say that fresh fruit is healthier than highly processed high sugar cereals is "WOO"? hlthe2b Jan 2015 #34
No one said that but you, along with the other crap that you spouted. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #36
You did say "woo" in response to my comment. hlthe2b Jan 2015 #86
What you have classified as "prickliness" is aversion to crap science. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #88
You are calling AMA, ADA, National Academy of Science, NIH, CDC, & academic community anti-science hlthe2b Jan 2015 #91
You just go on believeing your distillations of the science you don't understand, provided by the Thor_MN Jan 2015 #93
In all reality the odds are that you are far less educted in science and medicine than most hlthe2b Jan 2015 #98
You are correct, hlthe2b. Maedhros Jan 2015 #106
Since niether of us knows what the others eductaion is we don't have any basis. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #122
your spelling is a clue, Thor.... artemis starwolf Jan 2015 #166
A clue to what? My spelling is fine, my typing sucks. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #167
+1 TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #141
A religion is an organized collection arikara Jan 2015 #111
Project much? Thor_MN Jan 2015 #123
Doesn't Science use observation and experimentation to explain. livingonearth Jan 2015 #175
Homeopathy is unmitigated bullshit and 100% unalterated woo. No argument there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #154
Please read edhopper Jan 2015 #38
Utter bullshit. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #55
Wikipedia versus Thor rleskowitz Jan 2015 #71
Thanks edhopper Jan 2015 #77
Maybe some classes in chemisty and biology before declaring oneself an expert... Thor_MN Jan 2015 #82
That Dr. Hyman is a quack...n/t PasadenaTrudy Jan 2015 #95
But, the question remains: Maedhros Jan 2015 #108
Call crap science crap is being a jerk? Thor_MN Jan 2015 #124
No you wouldn't sugar coat it. You'd bathe it in HFCS-55. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #129
No, I don't bathe in HFCS 55. But I'm not afraid of it. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #146
I didn't say that YOU would bathe in HFCS. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #153
I was willing to let it go with calling it woo, but s/he kept it up. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #159
OK - you like to insult people to feel better about yourself. Maedhros Jan 2015 #140
Thank you. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #144
What you are saying is not correct whopis01 Jan 2015 #80
So will gastric acids and acids in food. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #84
different sugars break down in in different areas of the gut. Sugars that dissolve faster KittyWampus Jan 2015 #150
I guess I don't want the HFCS companies predigesting my sucrose! livingonearth Jan 2015 #164
The blog is from a quack. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #168
What about oranges? livingonearth Jan 2015 #172
Have a nice life. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #173
Oh come on... livingonearth Jan 2015 #176
I've learned that when people stray into religious fervor to walk away. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #180
In other words... livingonearth Jan 2015 #181
In other words, it doesn't matter if it is hydrolysed by sucrase, gastric acid, citric acid. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #182
It's the rate of absorption that is important to health. livingonearth Jan 2015 #183
"Plus the ratio in sucrose is 1 to 1" Thor_MN Jan 2015 #185
Of course - but merely stirring in water will not. n/t whopis01 Jan 2015 #184
We need all the bullshit we can get polynomial Jan 2015 #177
Nice tangent. That's 90 degrees from everything. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #179
You should really look for another source. That one is awful. jeff47 Jan 2015 #107
No. The fruit includes fiber. The fructose is just fructose. jeff47 Jan 2015 #115
Umm, NO You misnderstand, apparently.. I use/ingest no other sweeteners except whole fruit hlthe2b Jan 2015 #118
You claimed the fructose contains fiber. It's the subject of your post. jeff47 Jan 2015 #119
fruit contains fiber. I eat fruit which is sweet because of natural fructose but aslo contains FIBER hlthe2b Jan 2015 #121
The subject of the sentence is "fructose". You intended it to be "fruit". jeff47 Jan 2015 #130
No.. I was commenting on my original post as to my approach to diet. hlthe2b Jan 2015 #131
We can spend money on decent food or we can spend it on medical care KentuckyWoman Jan 2015 #116
Makes me glad that I cook almost everything I eat myself.... daleanime Jan 2015 #5
I'm now eating plain oatmeal with very low sodium and no sugar at all... CTyankee Jan 2015 #7
I'll have to try the preserves... daleanime Jan 2015 #22
The Cherry Amaretto Jam from Door County is especially nice too. CTyankee Jan 2015 #24
I agree edhopper Jan 2015 #27
That's a typical quick breakfast for me - I cook Red Mill oatmeal with closeupready Jan 2015 #92
Isn't it though? shanti Jan 2015 #102
I sometimes put dried fruit in, esp. this time of year. But sometimes we get some CTyankee Jan 2015 #104
Yup shanti Jan 2015 #109
I wish I could get loose mandarin tangerines. They come in a little crate box but CTyankee Jan 2015 #110
Oatmeal without cinnamon is an abomination. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #151
Ezekiel brand artemis starwolf Jan 2015 #170
I would like to note edhopper Jan 2015 #8
Plain oatmeal. Shredded wheat. Triana Jan 2015 #18
Can't expect a government that gets campaign money to protect consumers. L0oniX Jan 2015 #14
Bingo. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #135
Another couple and I had a hearty laugh tavernier Jan 2015 #19
HFCS and corn syrup edhopper Jan 2015 #21
Pancake syrup KentuckyWoman Jan 2015 #117
Duh tavernier Jan 2015 #143
If the bottle is $3.49, it isn't real. tridim Jan 2015 #26
We often used the Karo corn syrup straight with no flavoring. It was sweet but rhett o rick Jan 2015 #56
There is poison in our food anybody heard about what Red 40 does to kids? craigmatic Jan 2015 #30
Well, they were not going to dismantle the HFCS process just because they could not djean111 Jan 2015 #32
All of those new 'alternatives' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #42
Google "Agave problems" edhopper Jan 2015 #44
$^%^& Why is nothing in this world safe? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #46
Yeah, I know edhopper Jan 2015 #48
I only buy locally sourced honey because of the worry about bogus honey csziggy Jan 2015 #90
Don't use agave syrup - not healthy much like HFCs . It is natural but just lunasun Jan 2015 #161
That's weird. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #162
I had edited my post it is the fructose . I had it high you are correct it is low , but lunasun Jan 2015 #165
If you like Stevia, it's pretty easy to grow. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #60
Thanks, really good to know. djean111 Jan 2015 #68
Herbal shops TuxedoKat Jan 2015 #94
It's very cold sensitive though Retrograde Jan 2015 #70
It winters over outdoors in the cool interior SF East Bay. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #72
Thanks to everybody in this little exchange for the information! djean111 Jan 2015 #97
Those durn microclimates! Retrograde Jan 2015 #101
Yeah, our days are warmer and that does make a difference. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #126
The leaves shanti Jan 2015 #103
Corporations must really hate labeling laws. JohnnyRingo Jan 2015 #40
Ok, so they "fixed" that problem! mountain grammy Jan 2015 #41
Fuck. blackspade Jan 2015 #49
That's the twin attack of the Repukes edhopper Jan 2015 #53
Indeed. blackspade Jan 2015 #58
It's actually clearer, isn't it? Igel Jan 2015 #57
Corn syrup is nearly 100% glucose. jeff47 Jan 2015 #112
And what of foods with no fiber at all but lots of HFCS? You speak as if all foods with HFCS are Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #178
Weren't they calling it "corn sugar" just a couple of years ago? (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author edhopper Jan 2015 #61
Anything to deceive edhopper Jan 2015 #63
FDA said they could not do that. djean111 Jan 2015 #127
They tried to. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #148
There are a few times edhopper Jan 2015 #62
Note--also now called just "corn syrup" DFW Jan 2015 #65
This isn't high fructose corn syrup mathematic Jan 2015 #66
Corporations lying to the public again? What a surprise, not. jdenver_2624 Jan 2015 #69
I'm sure the marketers who came up with this brilliant plan to deceive people Zorra Jan 2015 #74
I'm sure it's good for diabetes... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #75
Too late for that shanti Jan 2015 #105
Sucking back sucrose sodas would do the same. jeff47 Jan 2015 #114
Not as much as the strontium 90.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #145
Money is indeed the bottom line. If they think we are so stupid that a name change is going to help jwirr Jan 2015 #78
Sorry, anyone who buys crap like 'Chex' isn't making good choices from the start. randome Jan 2015 #79
Chex corn, rice and wheat cereals are WIC approved. JimDandy Jan 2015 #132
So it's not HIGH fructose, it's almost ALL fructose. Chemisse Jan 2015 #81
IF YOU CAN’T CONVINCE THEM, CONFUSE THEM – Harry Truman PumpkinAle Jan 2015 #85
that could kill a few people if they don't know it PatrynXX Jan 2015 #87
So will TPP allow said corporation to sue any pesky government that requires truthful labeling? Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #96
Just yesterday I picked up some product in the grocery store because the label had in HUGE letters DebJ Jan 2015 #125
Corporate honesty. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #128
Good to know! Thanks. nt Duval Jan 2015 #133
HFCS: manufacturing process/corn source & nutrition. BadgerKid Jan 2015 #134
Yet another reason to... americannightmare Jan 2015 #138
All the more reason I cook from scratch and stay away from processed foods . geretogo Jan 2015 #142
This smacks of another attempt... elzenmahn Jan 2015 #147
Depressingly typical, and sneaky. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #149
Good to know libodem Jan 2015 #152
They can change labels... SHRED Jan 2015 #163
Tough to sort all this out. davidthegnome Jan 2015 #169
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