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newthinking

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Sat Feb 14, 2015, 07:41 PM Feb 2015

Five Reasons No Progressive Should Support Hillary Clinton [View all]

Five Reasons No Progressive Should Support Hillary Clinton
Friday, 13 February 2015 11:28
By Joseph Mulkerin, Truthout | Op-Ed

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1. Foreign Policy

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton was reportedly one of the most hawkish members of President Obama's cabinet, pushing for the 2009 troop surge in Afghanistan and US intervention in Libya. She has also been a vocal proponent of the same drone war that has led to the deaths of 2,400 civilians. In her recent memoir, Hard Choices, she bragged about having presided over the imposition of "crippling sanctions" on the Iranian economy during her tenure as secretary of state. These crippling sanctions are a form of collective punishment and have benefited the wealthy only, while making life miserable for everyone else. In an interview with Atlantic columnist Jeffrey Goldberg in August 2014, she further outlined her views on Iran, staking out a maximalist position on Iranian nuclear enrichment, which effectively opens the door to military intervention. She also suggested that the United States should have done more to intervene in Syria, by, in her words, creating a "credible fighting force," while the lack of said force led to the rise of ISIS. In addition, she vociferously defended Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's handling of the assault on Gaza. Not surprisingly, her bellicose rhetoric has received praise from neocon luminary Robert Kagan. Senator Clinton's vote in favor of the Iraq war, a vote for which it took her more than a decade to express regret, was clearly not a temporary lapse in judgment.

2. Economy

Her recent foray into vague populist rhetoric notwithstanding, Clinton has long nurtured close ties to the financial sector. Over the course of her political career, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Citigroup have been among her top political donors, in addition to giving heavily to the Clinton Foundation. In October 2013, Clinton received $400,000 to speak at two Goldman Sachs events and delivered what was described as a "reassuring message" to the assembled bankers. In all likelihood, a second Clinton administration would involve the appointment of industry insiders to regulatory posts in the perpetually revolving door between Wall Street and the federal government. It's understandable then that her friends on Wall Street would be quick to shrug off her halfhearted attempt to shore up her left flank as anything but substantive. Nobody who was genuinely concerned with economic inequity would be hobnobbing with some of the same economic institutions whose reckless financial schemes helped engineer the 2008 economic collapse.

Hillary Clinton has a long history of being willing to serve the interests of large corporations. In 1976, while serving as legal counsel for the Rose Law Firm, she represented several Arkansas utilities companies that sued the state after a ballot initiative (sponsored by conservative boogeyman Acorn) passed that decreased utilities rates on Little Rock residents and increased them on businesses. In defending the utilities conglomerates, she argued that the initiative amounted to an unconstitutional seizure of property. The judge ruled in these companies' favor.

3. Environment

As Grist magazine reported, during her tenure as secretary of state, Clinton took an active role in promoting hydrofracking worldwide through the Global Shale Gas Initiative. Clinton's State Department, and in some cases she personally, lobbied on behalf of companies like Chevron intent on expanding the practice, particularly in countries like Bulgaria and Romania where there was widespread public skepticism. This lobbying was met with mixed success, as Chevron eventually pulled out of Bulgaria due to a moratorium, while Romania's moratorium was repealed following US lobbying. Since stepping down as secretary of state, Clinton has continued to express support for the practice, which she outlined in a September 2014 speech to the National Clean Energy Summit. She has also remained disturbingly silent on the issue of the Keystone XL pipeline.

Full article: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/29052-five-reasons-no-progressive-should-support-hillary-clinton

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None do glasshouses Feb 2015 #1
Not true. Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #41
What does Warren's support sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #75
If you read the post I responded to, you'd see that this poster claimed no progressive pnwmom Feb 2015 #81
I stand corrected sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #124
She also supports Bernie Sanders, it's called politics. Fearless Feb 2015 #152
When has she said that she, and all the Congressional women, hopes he will run? pnwmom Feb 2015 #153
As is Sanders running out of time....as a long-time Democrat I'm increasingly getting annoyed..... George II Feb 2015 #158
And yet, Elizabeth Warren has publicly attacked Clinton's Corporate friends, Goldman Sachs sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #82
Elizabeth Warren is a US Democratic Senator, who sits in a Democratic Caucus and depends merrily Feb 2015 #105
It's not silly to say she is a progressive who supports Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #106
Yes, it is, for the reasons stated in my prior post. Also, as I have posted many merrily Feb 2015 #107
Then why don't you read through the very long list of bills at the site I linked to, pnwmom Feb 2015 #109
Why are you changing the subject? Besides, the US Senate is a conservative body and most Dems merrily Feb 2015 #113
I'm not changing the subject, you are. The topic was whether any progressive supports Hillary pnwmom Feb 2015 #115
No, the subject that starts this subtread was your post about Warren's endorsement of Hillary. merrily Feb 2015 #116
And THAT post was in response to the claim that no progressives supported Hillary. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #118
Which is totally irrelevant to your changing the subject of the subthread from Warren's merrily Feb 2015 #139
Not true, no matter how many times you insist. pnwmom Feb 2015 #141
+10 (nt) PosterChild Feb 2015 #134
Elizabeth Warren was quoted as saying she supports Hillary Clinton RUNNING for president... cascadiance Feb 2015 #137
Are you saying she doesn’t support Hillary as the nominee pnwmom Feb 2015 #143
Warren is saying "she is not running"... cascadiance Feb 2015 #144
No, read the quote again. She said "no" to the question "are you going to run?" pnwmom Feb 2015 #145
I am not sure the Warren is entirely progressive Bugenhagen Feb 2015 #170
Elizabeth Warren had more than a supportive word. She said pnwmom Feb 2015 #177
No one really supports Hillary. She offers nothing progressive. Oklahoma_Liberal Feb 2015 #2
So, the 17 million Democrats who voted for her last time didn't "really" support her... brooklynite Feb 2015 #19
this time around progressives have their eyes wide open hopemountain Feb 2015 #35
hear, hear! Stellar Feb 2015 #38
Elizabeth Warren is a progressive and she supports Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #43
Please do not post facts ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #56
LOL!!! One of the 99 Feb 2015 #58
If DU was a measure of the Democratic Party... Historic NY Feb 2015 #60
Keep trying to sell that. merrily Feb 2015 #108
I don't have to it self sells here.. Historic NY Feb 2015 #127
Not really. merrily Feb 2015 #138
+10 (nt) PosterChild Feb 2015 #136
Then some of them need new glasses Renew Deal Feb 2015 #78
It's hard to take, for some, that these facts are indisputable at this time. demosincebirth Feb 2015 #97
She's Inevitable!!! ny tridim Feb 2015 #126
That's right! Just like the last time! n/t A Simple Game Feb 2015 #130
But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #160
Right. 840high Feb 2015 #83
Agree! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #87
That females are over 50% of the population might have had a touch to do with that in a Dem primary, merrily Feb 2015 #114
Interesting point you make about the primary. I had no idea. But I'm still not sure what you mean. ancianita Feb 2015 #174
She offers plenty progressive. She is a liberal, supported by millions of other liberals -- NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #48
Those who support expanding H-1B Visas, the TPP, and was on the Walmart board is NOT liberal... cascadiance Feb 2015 #149
Well Done. bvar22 Feb 2015 #159
....if we're not going to support her myohmy2 Feb 2015 #89
Really? Beacool Feb 2015 #146
Not true. Everyone here needs to remember that "support" isn't "agreement." ancianita Feb 2015 #173
While I fully understand your arguments.... CherokeeDem Feb 2015 #3
They are not "My arguments", though I am indeed very concerned about some of Hillary's newthinking Feb 2015 #6
I will.... CherokeeDem Feb 2015 #22
If the primary were held today, I would vote for Martin O'Mallely. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #68
O'Malley would be my choice.... CherokeeDem Feb 2015 #91
One of the reasons we don't know who is running is that, since 2012, we've been hearing that, if HRC merrily Feb 2015 #112
A Democrat who chooses not to run because of Hillary, is not qualified to be President. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #171
Nothing in my post said Hillary was intimidating candidates. merrily Feb 2015 #172
Then provide an alternate definition to "no Democrat will run against her in the primary." Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #176
I don't know where to begin since you missed the point of the post so entirely. merrily Feb 2015 #178
So you are blaming a media narrative for intimidating Democratic Challangers? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #181
No. I don't think any candidates have been intimidated by Hillary or by media. merrily Feb 2015 #182
In January, before Obama was reelected, they were opining about the Democrats Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #184
The only thing I can say is that never in my life have I seen a lead up to a primary remotely like merrily Feb 2015 #192
I don't believe in the PTB. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #197
You don't believe the Party has leaders who are more powerful vis a vis the Party than, say you and merrily Feb 2015 #199
The party has leaders, but the whole "Powers That Be" Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #201
"PTB" is just something that saves me a lot of typing. It simply refers to the people who have power merrily Feb 2015 #203
Courage? Thinking of a paddycake/profile raising pseudo run isn't courage it is playing the game TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #194
I disagree. This is no game. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #198
Completely Agree. n/t FSogol Feb 2015 #169
That really depends on whether you live in a reliably Democratic state hifiguy Feb 2015 #27
No one here wants a Republican alternative. But how far are we going to let the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #28
This is my concern as well. Are we prolonging the sufferring and risk? newthinking Feb 2015 #39
I think we are. Some think the slide into tyranny is ok if it's slow. It's too much work to fight rhett o rick Feb 2015 #98
My vote for a label? DeSwiss Feb 2015 #132
Ready For Jeb! JaneyVee Feb 2015 #4
If you don't want Jeb, nominate a progressive. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #11
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #32
Exactly. +1. GoneFishin Feb 2015 #69
+10000 Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #88
NO! No More Corporate lackeys, be they a member of the Bush Dynasty Or the Clinton Dynasty Dragonfli Feb 2015 #101
Hillary is outside Feb 2015 #5
So what does that say and how is the cycle broken? By perpetuating it? newthinking Feb 2015 #7
Sorry outside Feb 2015 #13
Yes the Oligarchs have enough money to do it. Doesn't mean I won't fight it all the way. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #12
LOL! We heard this inevitability meme before. HRC *might* be the dem nom, or she might not peacebird Feb 2015 #46
You like apples? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #90
I accept that you are a true believer. I believe she will energize many to come out to vote peacebird Feb 2015 #104
"I believe she will discourage many more from turning up to vote, mostly progressives or young." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #123
# 6 swilton Feb 2015 #8
That is one of the most sexist things I have read here at DU. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #15
That is one of the most childish things I've read here at DU swilton Feb 2015 #66
While I am no fan, that is bullshit.. SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #21
Brilliance and having a career swilton Feb 2015 #31
So she's had no career? SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #47
You are definitely misreading the intent of my post swilton Feb 2015 #65
So you support denying chldren the chance to see a doctor. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #9
That is not the argument made in the source thread swilton Feb 2015 #10
The argument made was the Haillry does't support anything progressive. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #14
No, it discusses 5 important considerations from a progressive point of view. newthinking Feb 2015 #42
Bill Frist is a progressive? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #120
She couldn't find a Democrat ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #17
Helping children see a doctor is moral, ethical, right, and progressive. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #23
The problem is that if Wall Street has their way we will all end up in soup lines. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #99
You sound concerned. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #16
Say Hello to President Bush, little Johnny. We preferred a three-fer to a two-fer and proud we are. libdem4life Feb 2015 #18
She is to "progressive" what decaf is to coffee. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #20
The Hillary campaign is trying to re-brand their candidate Maedhros Feb 2015 #92
sounds like obama for the most part. nt msongs Feb 2015 #24
You know what they say about opinions... everyone has them OKNancy Feb 2015 #25
. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #26
We've heard a lot of reasons not to nominate HRC but the only reason I've seen for nominating her rhett o rick Feb 2015 #29
What no one seems to mention is "Health Problems." KoKo Feb 2015 #154
It's what sets us apart from the two-bit dictatorships that only offer their citizens one choice. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #156
Surely we can do better. JEB Feb 2015 #30
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #33
I'm a progressive,yet I would vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic candidate. DrewFlorida Feb 2015 #34
From here: Maedhros Feb 2015 #93
It's a bad argument in theory mythology Feb 2015 #157
Here's the thing: electing Hillary will ensure continuance of the Bush-Obama policy Maedhros Feb 2015 #163
And, so if Hilary is the candidate you will not vote for her? DrewFlorida Feb 2015 #186
Announcing beforehand that we will vote for ANY Democrat Maedhros Feb 2015 #190
So now you use an apeal to fear! DrewFlorida Feb 2015 #191
No, that is reality. You declare yourself automatic and NOTHING need be done to secure your vote. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #196
The logic being employed is this: Maedhros Feb 2015 #205
personally - hopemountain Feb 2015 #36
Only five? Can think of dozens of reasons to reject Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #37
I have no interest in HRC's positions on many things. That said... adieu Feb 2015 #40
Depends ... labels and labeling NotHardly Feb 2015 #44
No self-respecting progressive would vote for Clinton. 99Forever Feb 2015 #45
+1 nt benz380 Feb 2015 #67
This one won't either. n/t MissDeeds Feb 2015 #71
....x10 840high Feb 2015 #85
I will support the nominee MFM008 Feb 2015 #49
Hillary is a liberal, and as a liberal I am an enthusiastic supporter. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #50
A rare time I agree with you davidpdx Feb 2015 #51
I suspect we agree about many other thing newthinking Feb 2015 #59
One reason why liberals should support whoever the Democratic nominee is still_one Feb 2015 #52
THEY DON'T CARE. Nominees to SCOTUS aren't as important as their personal ethics, damn it! BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #77
The stakes are higher than they have been still_one Feb 2015 #80
The Supreme Court LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #165
Bill Clinton appointed Ginsburg. Hillary is stands are mostly liberal on the issues still_one Feb 2015 #185
"I nominate Beyonce"... LuvLoogie Feb 2015 #53
I think we obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2015 #54
Then she is your best hope. Me? I think we can do better than a Reagan clone Dragonfli Feb 2015 #102
As a liberal.. if Hillary runs as our nominee.. she will get my full support.. Peacetrain Feb 2015 #55
Been there, heard that Frances Feb 2015 #57
I think a lot of progressives voted for Gore. I did. newthinking Feb 2015 #61
But the 95,000 in Florida who voted for Nader swung the election. pnwmom Feb 2015 #110
Gore won the 2000 election. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #96
So if Hillary gets the nomination we just shouldn't vote in November????? groundloop Feb 2015 #62
I'll be voting, but not for the Corporate Queen. nt benz380 Feb 2015 #63
Yea ,,,, stay home and elect another Republican,,,,,thats the ticket! Cryptoad Feb 2015 #64
Keep pushing Republican Lite, elect an actual Republican. GoneFishin Feb 2015 #70
I'm Done!!!! raindaddy Feb 2015 #72
Me too. RiverLover Feb 2015 #86
Good For You! raindaddy Feb 2015 #94
+1 n/t Alkene Feb 2015 #133
"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Feb 2015 #73
Hillary's No Al Gore. raindaddy Feb 2015 #79
The country shifted to the right when Nader helped Florida get tossed to SCOTUS. pnwmom Feb 2015 #111
gawd your ilk won't let up on that idiotic conspiracy theory. m-lekktor Feb 2015 #117
So actually the Clintons owe everything to Nader? raindaddy Feb 2015 #128
Quoting Nader? Beacool Feb 2015 #148
5. She can win. MyNameGoesHere Feb 2015 #74
It's all fine and dandy to hash this out in the primaries... MrScorpio Feb 2015 #76
If she's the Democratic nominee I will vote for her... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #84
#6 becuase after she loses, even when all the progs knuckle down and pull the lever, MisterP Feb 2015 #95
Let's try to make the bullies into victims treestar Feb 2015 #122
, Dragonfli Feb 2015 #100
So say the "progressives" who support Putin. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #103
And how do you come to the conclusion that progressives support Putin? cascadiance Feb 2015 #147
Simple--the same way you come to the conclusion that progressives supported Saddam-- eridani Feb 2015 #155
You do know what "quotes" mean, don't you? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #187
So, perhaps you are saying that those who don't support Clinton aren't progressive then... cascadiance Feb 2015 #189
And here you see the vulnerability of candidates with experience. You can pick and choose McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #119
There's something missing in your title eridani Feb 2015 #121
K and R bigwillq Feb 2015 #125
Oligarchy money is the biggest reason to not support this fucking system. L0oniX Feb 2015 #129
+10000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #135
Who the VP will Be is something we ought to be thinking about..... KoKo Feb 2015 #166
There are far too few to waste any as Hillary's hood ornament/empty appeal to liberals TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #202
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #131
I am a "Progressive" BlueMTexpat Feb 2015 #140
Another one of our "purist" gives advice maxrandb Feb 2015 #142
In the general election Progressives should support Clinton for one reason, if nothing else. Beacool Feb 2015 #150
It's NOT progressive to enable conservatives in any way... PERIOD uponit7771 Feb 2015 #151
One BIG reason they should Cartoonist Feb 2015 #161
Hillary. Wal Mart Board member (1986-1992) and former "Goldwater Girl." blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #162
That is ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #164
Ive only ever seen it written as member of WalMart's board of directors, no Foundation mentioned. merrily Feb 2015 #175
I read it somewhere a couple of years ago ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #179
Respect. merrily Feb 2015 #180
FYI merrily Feb 2015 #183
Bull Honky! moreland01 Feb 2015 #167
I'm Ready For Soup olddots Feb 2015 #168
K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #188
#1 reason to support if democratic candidate. supreme court. 'nough said. seabeyond Feb 2015 #193
So should we set out the election in 2016??? OR are you saying we should vote for Bush or Walker? hollowdweller Feb 2015 #195
And one reasons progressives WOULD support her...... LynneSin Feb 2015 #200
Two reasons, any Progressive SHOULD support HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #204
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