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merrily

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1. Eliminating leftist candidates is much easier without a primary.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 04:22 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Tue Feb 17, 2015, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)

That has been the goal of the Democratic Party's right wing for a very long time, well before McGovern. However, McGovern's dramatic loss was used as an excuse to shift the party rightward again.

McGovern made the DNC more Democratic. After he lost to Nixon--and no, that loss was not attributable to McGovern's policies---the right wing of the Party got his party reforms repealed. It also tried to institute Super Delegates, to ensure that the Party could overrule a primary if primary voters chose anyone the right wing of the Party considered too liberal. That failed but only temporarily.

After Mondale's 1984 loss to Reagan, the right wing of the Party seized the moment again. This time, it succeeded in instituting Super Delegates--something even the GOP did not even try until much later. The DLC incorporated in 1985. In 1992, DLCer Bill Clinton ran against Poppy and won, helped by Ross Perot's third party candidacy. In 1996, Clinton ran again and won, helped by both Ross Perot and the advantage that all incumbent Presidents enjoy.

A mythology that Third Wayers were the only electable Democrats, at least at the national level, grew and persists to this day, despite some horrific national elections for Democrats.

In 2012, we saw an incumbent go primary-less, even as the story was being circulated and repeated that there would be no primary contest if Hillary chose to run.

Yes, the Super Delegates are always there to overrule the primary vote, but that would also create a huge p.r. problem and possibly, at last, a revolt. Hence, trying to get away without a primary is far preferable from the standpoint of the Third Wayers who have controlled the Party since the Clinton administration.

Eliminating leftist candidates is much easier without a primary. merrily Feb 2015 #1
thanks reddread Feb 2015 #2
You're welcome. Creating a single myth about each election helps drive agendas. merrily Feb 2015 #4
^^^^this^^^^ DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #60
This x 1000. hifiguy Feb 2015 #3
which sounds really terrible until you look at numbers whatthehey Feb 2015 #6
not to interrupt, but reddread Feb 2015 #7
I have not the slightest clue what you are talking about whatthehey Feb 2015 #77
The superdelegate vote does not equal 100% of all votes cast in a primary that count. merrily Feb 2015 #10
It is less than 100, less than 50, less than 25 whatthehey Feb 2015 #78
They are enough to alter a primary election final result. merrily Feb 2015 #83
Leftists like Warren, Franken, Brown..... brooklynite Feb 2015 #19
Wrong! Unless you don't count sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #39
Yep. Same thing happens in many primaries. or similar. merrily Feb 2015 #56
The 2014 mid-term should have nailed the coffin of the myth that Third Wayers are electable. merrily Feb 2015 #54
It was, to everyone but them and their delusional hatred for the left. Rex Feb 2015 #58
To be fair, people who don't wish to part with money have non-delusional reasons to merrily Feb 2015 #65
The Koch bros will almost spend a billion dollars in a gamble to own their own POTUS Rex Feb 2015 #67
Please post this as an OP Ramses Feb 2015 #81
Thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #82
I'd love to see this LWolf Feb 2015 #85
DU Rec! ^^^ 2nd making this an OP! RiverLover Feb 2015 #86
Thanks so much, River. As I said, I will not be doing that, but you and/or Ramses can. merrily Feb 2015 #87
And trust the big decisions to little people? You must be joking. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #5
How many uncontested Democratic primaries do you remember in open years? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #8
oh please reddread Feb 2015 #9
You define "the party." This is your post. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #12
I could not conflate the two distinct statements reddread Feb 2015 #13
When you said "Democratic Party" did you mean something other than the "Democratic Party" Renew Deal Feb 2015 #15
when I said "power players" reddread Feb 2015 #17
No Renew Deal Feb 2015 #23
Very obviously, "Democratic power players" do not comprise the entire Democratic Party. merrily Feb 2015 #26
apparently that doesnt matter reddread Feb 2015 #28
I wish I had saved the link. merrily Feb 2015 #30
That's what I think this post is about: Renew Deal Feb 2015 #32
dont you want to consider the distinction between Democratic Party voters and the "power players"? reddread Feb 2015 #37
Sure. Lets consider it. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #63
That's what I've thought about quite a few posts on this thread, but not about any of reddread's on merrily Feb 2015 #38
im confused reddread Feb 2015 #50
that information is contained within most discussions reddread Feb 2015 #35
Riiiggggt. Because the Party never seeks out people and merrily Feb 2015 #11
I agree with your post Renew Deal Feb 2015 #14
No you don't. That is not what I posted and you know that. merrily Feb 2015 #18
no kidding reddread Feb 2015 #20
I am not sure every poster cares what they reveal. merrily Feb 2015 #24
Here is what you posted Renew Deal Feb 2015 #27
You agreed with it as you reworded it, which, as you know, was not how I said or meant it. merrily Feb 2015 #33
those werent real Democrats reddread Feb 2015 #16
I am not sure which endorsements you mean. merrily Feb 2015 #21
Bill's, etc, reddread Feb 2015 #22
I'm confused. merrily Feb 2015 #29
no you arent reddread Feb 2015 #31
That is one of the reasons I stopped donating to the DNC and never will again. merrily Feb 2015 #42
whatever party welcomes Arlen Spector can fucking leave me alone reddread Feb 2015 #44
This is the kind of post that can get you banned, esp. once the season starts. merrily Feb 2015 #66
It is up to people to decide to run treestar Feb 2015 #34
you will, of course, get outspent and ruined, most likely reddread Feb 2015 #40
Is there an answer to the money issue? treestar Feb 2015 #43
a few reddread Feb 2015 #46
Oh, please. Fine. I'm running for President 2016. merrily Feb 2015 #51
best news ever. reddread Feb 2015 #53
Not really, but I felt one fairy tale deserved another. merrily Feb 2015 #59
they better come up with someone good reddread Feb 2015 #61
Please use your vote in a way that can be understood. merrily Feb 2015 #68
What's sad is that childlike answer from treestar is taken seriously by many adults. Rex Feb 2015 #64
Then do something about it treestar Feb 2015 #75
As soon as I come into my first million, I'll be starting an exploratory committee, quitting work, merrily Feb 2015 #84
To be fair... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #41
To be fair, Crist lost, despite the backing of the Democratic Party. merrily Feb 2015 #47
Selections not elections! bigwillq Feb 2015 #25
I've used the word "anointing;" quite independently of me (and almost everyone else), Sanders merrily Feb 2015 #36
If we decide, they don't . nt bemildred Feb 2015 #45
Maybe, but when was the last time you chose who runs in a primary. merrily Feb 2015 #48
I vote in every primary. nt bemildred Feb 2015 #49
and where do you get your choices? reddread Feb 2015 #52
As do I, but that was not the question. merrily Feb 2015 #57
Primaries definitely choose who gets to run in the general election. bemildred Feb 2015 #69
Choosing who runs in the primary was the issue of the question, though. merrily Feb 2015 #70
Ah, so you were not clear. bemildred Feb 2015 #71
Still no answer to the primary question, but no on both parts of your post. merrily Feb 2015 #72
It's been a pleasure, do have a nice day. nt bemildred Feb 2015 #73
Thanks. I almost always do. You have one, too. merrily Feb 2015 #74
They don't seem to be big fans of democracy when it is inconvenient. Rex Feb 2015 #55
It hasn't been convenient for decades. Maybe it never was, but that bit merrily Feb 2015 #62
run then nt arely staircase Feb 2015 #76
it's so cute how they say "we can only make a choice in the primaries" and then torpedo said MisterP Feb 2015 #79
Why don't progressives pay much attention to state and local elections? YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #80
why dont you know? reddread Feb 2015 #88
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