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Dont call me Shirley

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55. jefferson quotes...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 05:17 PM
Mar 2015

. . "The Constitution on this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please." —

"The question whether the judges are invested with exclusive authority to decide on the constitutionality of a law has been heretofore a subject of consideration with me in the exercise of official duties. Certainly there is not a word in the Constitution which has given that power to them more than to the Executive or Legislative branches."

—Thomas Jefferson to W. H. Torrance, 1815. ME 14:303

"But the Chief Justice says, 'There must be an ultimate arbiter somewhere.' True, there must; but does that prove it is either party? The ultimate arbiter is the people of the Union, assembled by their deputies in convention, at the call of Congress or of two-thirds of the States. Let them decide to which they mean to give an authority claimed by two of their organs. And it has been the peculiar wisdom and felicity of our Constitution, to have provided this peaceable appeal, where that of other nations is at once to force."

—Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:451

"But, you may ask, if the two departments [i.e., federal and state] should claim each the same subject of power, where is the common umpire to decide ultimately between them? In cases of little importance or urgency, the prudence of both parties will keep them aloof from the questionable ground; but if it can neither be avoided nor compromised, a convention of the States must be called to ascribe the doubtful power to that department which they may think best."

—Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. ME 16:47

"The Constitution . . . meant that its coordinate branches should be checks on each other. But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."

—Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1804. ME 11:51

"To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves."

—Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:277

"In denying the right [the Supreme Court usurps] of exclusively explaining the Constitution, I go further than [others] do, if I understand rightly [this] quotation from the Federalist of an opinion that 'the judiciary is the last resort in relation to the other departments of the government, but not in relation to the rights of the parties to the compact under which the judiciary is derived.' If this opinion be sound, then indeed is our Constitution a complete felo de se [act of suicide]. For intending to establish three departments, coordinate and independent, that they might check and balance one another, it has given, according to this opinion, to one of them alone the right to prescribe rules for the government of the others, and to that one, too, which is unelected by and independent of the nation. For experience has already shown that the impeachment it has provided is not even a scare-crow . . . The Constitution on this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."
—Thomas Jefferson to Spencer Roane, 1819. ME 15:212

"This member of the Government was at first considered as the most harmless and helpless of all its organs. But it has proved that the power of declaring what the law is, ad libitum, by sapping and mining slyly and without alarm the foundations of the Constitution, can do what open force would not dare to attempt."

—Thomas Jefferson to Edward Livingston, 1825. ME 16:114

"My construction of the Constitution is . . . that each department is truly independent of the others and has an equal right to decide for itself what is the meaning of the Constitution in the cases submitted to its action; and especially where it is to act ultimately and without appeal."

—Thomas Jefferson to Spencer Roane, 1819. ME 15:214
The "The Constitution . . . meant that its coordinate branches should be checks on each other. But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."

—Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1804. ME 11:51
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Bush v. Gore. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #1
This (As runner up) yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #3
+1 sakabatou Mar 2015 #87
Yep, I think I pretty much have to go with that/those. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #4
+1. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #9
+2 GeorgeGist Mar 2015 #98
Bush V Gore DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #2
I agree, yes nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #5
The court's analysis of the Equal Protection clause was completely disingenuous The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #7
Bush v Gore PADemD Mar 2015 #6
Corpses are people. BlueJazz Mar 2015 #8
Bush v Gore mainstreetonce Mar 2015 #10
Citizens United and Shelby County are up there Gothmog Mar 2015 #11
I think Korematsu was more of a stand-out decision Bucky Mar 2015 #12
+ 1 no_hypocrisy Mar 2015 #97
Bush v Gore. Legalized stealing the Presidential COLGATE4 Mar 2015 #13
How can you not have Bush vs Gore on there? That was the end of impartiality on the bench Rex Mar 2015 #14
eh yes, Bush v. Gore was horrible, but compared to Dred Scott ? steve2470 Mar 2015 #15
You might be right there, Dred Scott was horrible. Rex Mar 2015 #16
With Dred Scott you could argue they didn't know any better. With Bush V Gore they knew better & did uponit7771 Mar 2015 #17
Plessy vs Ferguson, and Lochner geek tragedy Mar 2015 #18
The Lochner era was atrocious. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #38
Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Co. KamaAina Mar 2015 #19
It was actually the way the head note was written for this decision and used as precedent... cascadiance Mar 2015 #24
Yep, it is an entire scam, total bullshit. Very maddening. The only reservation I NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #34
Yup, paved the way for Citizens United Retrograde Mar 2015 #82
Right. Nothing like history. elleng Mar 2015 #102
Ding, ding, ding. hifiguy Mar 2015 #58
And though Dred Scott lead to a lot of horrible deaths in the Civil War... cascadiance Mar 2015 #83
Kelo vs. New London -- not thee worst, but way up there Dems to Win Mar 2015 #20
yes it was a travesty nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #21
A rare case where most DUers sided with Scalia over Ginsberg (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #32
I cannot believe people think a stolen election is worse than stolen freedom and lives for millions. bravenak Mar 2015 #22
have people even heard of Plessy? geek tragedy Mar 2015 #23
Plessy was pretty horrible also, I forgot about that one nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #25
to me that is worse than Dred Scott. During Dred Scott slavery was still legal geek tragedy Mar 2015 #26
excellent argument, yes nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #27
You would think so, I had it in an article I wrote. bravenak Mar 2015 #28
For me it will always be Dred Scott. Bush v Gore just affirmed ineqaulity for this century. freshwest Mar 2015 #100
I guess I was thinking more in terms of modern decisions. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #35
I know . Just feeling crabby today. bravenak Mar 2015 #37
I guess the moral of the story is that the Supreme Court really matters The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #39
I wouldn't put it past Scalia to put blacks and women BACK into slavery. bravenak Mar 2015 #41
If it weren't for the 13th Amendment he'd probably figure out a way The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #43
I used to think that Rehnquist sat up at night hifiguy Mar 2015 #59
Thomas too. bravenak Mar 2015 #60
I refer to that man ONLY as Uncle Ruckus. hifiguy Mar 2015 #63
Everytime I think about him I think about his predessor. It was a sad day in America when Thomas was bravenak Mar 2015 #64
I like to think of Clarence Darrow's comment hifiguy Mar 2015 #65
Oooooh I LOVE IT! bravenak Mar 2015 #68
Has anyone read "Strange Justice" wheniwasincongress Mar 2015 #73
I never read it, but I NEVER doubted her veracity. bravenak Mar 2015 #75
About the coke can wheniwasincongress Mar 2015 #76
I remember how INDIGNANT he was. Creeptastic. bravenak Mar 2015 #77
That was a virtuoso performance of utter lying bullshit hifiguy Mar 2015 #78
I read it. The guy is a real piece of work. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #90
I see your point. I'm changing to say that I have three worst that are worst for different reasons. stevenleser Mar 2015 #49
Citizens United. bravenak Mar 2015 #54
Umm...you said freedom and yet forget that is what an election is all about? Rex Mar 2015 #69
There were millions of slaves. bravenak Mar 2015 #71
Ha true we don't get to pick and chose that is a good point. Rex Mar 2015 #72
I know. I just like to be different. bravenak Mar 2015 #74
Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Citizens United,... mmonk Mar 2015 #29
"Persons of African descent cannot be, nor were ever intended to be, citizens under the U.S. Const." Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #30
yes it was nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #31
Dred Scott, like Bush v. Gore, was a political decision rather than a legal one The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #36
yep you nailed it nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #42
Plessy v. Ferguson Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #33
Lots of horrible to choose from NuclearDem Mar 2015 #40
Bush V Gore Without A Doubt Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #44
I'm gonna go with Bush v Gore rock Mar 2015 #45
I have a feeling that most of those choosing Bush v Gore are white. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #46
Other: Marbury vs Madison Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #47
You think Congress should be allowed to pass unconstitutional laws? n/t ieoeja Mar 2015 #52
Marbury is the main protection we have against overreach by the legislative branch. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #53
jefferson quotes... Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #55
Blah, blah, blah. Jefferson doesn't explain how to prevent the legislature The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #85
As Jefferson says in a nutshell, that's what elections are for. Vote the treasoners out. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #86
Except when elections are stolen and states are gerrymandered. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #88
So you don't think an act of Congress can be unconstitutional? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #61
I'm going to stick with Thomas Jefferson and Thom Hartmann on this one Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #62
A whole slew of cases undermined the 13th and 14th amendments in the late 19th/early 20th century. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #89
And The Voting Rights Act. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #96
citizens united spanone Mar 2015 #48
"Buck v. Bell" should get at least a "dishonorable mention" in this roster. thucythucy Mar 2015 #50
The eugenicists never heard of regression to the mean. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #66
Plessy v. Ferguson and the Civil Rights Cases of 1883 are the first that come to my mind fishwax Mar 2015 #51
Bush vs Gore realFedUp Mar 2015 #56
"worst" decision of all time.... steve2470 Mar 2015 #70
Kittens is obviously worse. bigwillq Mar 2015 #79
my attempt at levity :) nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #80
..... bigwillq Mar 2015 #81
There's no ONE worst hifiguy Mar 2015 #57
Dred Scott is IMHO, the worst of all time. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #67
Too damn many to choose from. 99Forever Mar 2015 #84
Bush vs Gore is not on your list, why? B Calm Mar 2015 #91
as I've explained at least 3 times now....if you look... steve2470 Mar 2015 #92
Ugh. You must be white. bigwillq Mar 2015 #93
Wow, that's a slam. All I said was it should be on the list. B Calm Mar 2015 #94
Check up thread bigwillq Mar 2015 #95
I voted other for giving us the shrub W kydo Mar 2015 #99
Dred Scott, Citizen's United, Bush v. Gore. elleng Mar 2015 #101
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