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Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:50 AM

Jul 2015

Montana polygamist family applies for marriage license

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Given the U.S. Supreme Court's recent ruling that same-sex marriage is legal in all 50 states, a Lockwood family is now looking to solidify rights of its own.

We first told you about the Colliers in January of 2015 when the polygamist family appeared on an episode of the TLC show, "Sister Wives."

The polyamorous movement is a national push to allow marriage between multiple partners.

http://www.kxlh.com/story/29450937/montana-polygamist-family-applies-for-marriage-license

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People who compare same-sex marriage and polygamy need to fuck off [View all] geek tragedy Jul 2015 OP

yep jberryhill Jul 2015 #1

Yup bigwillq Jul 2015 #2

All the same HassleCat Jul 2015 #3

While I agree, the polygamists themselves are determined to claim linkage -- Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #4

Well, the Sister Wives dudebros need to fuck off. They geek tragedy Jul 2015 #6

As I understand it, the recent same-sex marriage decision was a narrow one. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #82

Discrimination Paradigm Shift Jul 2015 #98

Discrimination does not mean just differentiating. (Legally) JDPriestly Jul 2015 #105

Please see post 191 asturias31 Jul 2015 #195

Some on DU support it. B2G Jul 2015 #5

See title of OP.nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #7

I don't have a problem with consenting adults legalizing their unions. Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #14

their relationships are already legal. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #17

How so? nt B2G Jul 2015 #20

they don't face jail time for having sexual relationships with each other. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #21

Neither did gay people. B2G Jul 2015 #22

They did until 2003. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #23

Gays were imprisioned for have sexual relations prior to 2003? B2G Jul 2015 #24

. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #25

Sodomy laws. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #27

I was fully aware of them. B2G Jul 2015 #32

Creative movement of the goalposts... LanternWaste Jul 2015 #36

Gerogia. SheilaT Jul 2015 #80

Adultery laws could apply, so not entirely legal if a marriage were in any way involved -- Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #157

dupe Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #14

+10 million!!!! Nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #8

Any of the idiotic talking points against same sex marriage need to FO. Yesterday I just heard an still_one Jul 2015 #9

What if one wife wants to stop life support and the other one does not? Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #10

I've said before that if you want marriage to be more like Wall Street, geek tragedy Jul 2015 #11

It will not be your problem. Nobel_Twaddle_III Jul 2015 #136

The map isn't correct Nevernose Jul 2015 #12

There's no reason why people can't pursue a polyamorous lifestyle, of course. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #13

Speaking from Holland: it is illegal here. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #26

Netherlands has civil unions for polygamous people LittleBlue Jul 2015 #28

This has long been debunked. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #59

I know LittleBlue Jul 2015 #65

Functionally: yes Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #148

Depends on what you call it. "Samenlevingscontract" Nevernose Jul 2015 #122

Nope. No recognition from the state means no marriage. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #149

It's really no different LittleBlue Jul 2015 #16

Lines are arbitrary, and we move them around how we want, when we want The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #18

Yes, and the line should be moving forward, not backwards. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #19

plus it hardly lines up with the gay-marriage map MisterP Jul 2015 #58

As of an hour ago... Treant Jul 2015 #89

There is nothing wrong with consensual polyamorous relationships WDIM Jul 2015 #29

they're free to form limited partnerships and closely-held corporations and geek tragedy Jul 2015 #30

Same thing people use to say about homosexuals WDIM Jul 2015 #31

I refer you to the subject line of my OP. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #33

It's funny how when black people say the same thing about comparing gay rights to civil rights craigmatic Jul 2015 #39

the movement for GLBT civil rights is not the same as African-Americans' geek tragedy Jul 2015 #43

So you're calling a bunch of African, Asian, and Arab countries culturally backwards? craigmatic Jul 2015 #47

Polygamy is illegal in the vast majority of Asia and all of Latin America as well geek tragedy Jul 2015 #52

You're doing two things at once here that don't necessarily go togther. You make it seem like craigmatic Jul 2015 #56

Oh barf. You're defending oppression of women and GLBT people as "not wrong" geek tragedy Jul 2015 #57

I am trying to figure a way of articulating it... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #64

it's putting marriage equality (and by implication homosexuality and trans status) on geek tragedy Jul 2015 #69

I'm not trying to stigmatize gay marriage. I'm glad they got their rights but if poly people want craigmatic Jul 2015 #75

If my mom was alive could I marry her, and if no, why not?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #77

ok now you're just trolling. craigmatic Jul 2015 #83

You seem to be arguing that polygamy is just another lifestyle... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #87

poly is just another lifestyle. I do not condone incest it's not my way craigmatic Jul 2015 #90

And you're calling for more government involvement in the bedroom. craigmatic Jul 2015 #67

you seem confused. people are free to have sex with multiple geek tragedy Jul 2015 #70

People should be free to marry who they want whenever they want as long as they're all adult. craigmatic Jul 2015 #72

so you think incestuous marriages should be recognized and blessed by the geek tragedy Jul 2015 #74

so we're comparing incest to poly now? craigmatic Jul 2015 #81

Consenting adults is not an automatic discussion ender kcr Jul 2015 #128

Marriage is a man made institution that we change as we see fit. If the polys get their message craigmatic Jul 2015 #135

Because it's a man made institution, polys have to get their way? kcr Jul 2015 #139

No they should get their way because of fairness, love and humanity. craigmatic Jul 2015 #141

Jesus. No one is going around the world. asturias31 Jul 2015 #209

It is telling others how to live when we get involved good or bad. Nobody does that to us. craigmatic Jul 2015 #217

If I go to Iran, they most certainly tell asturias31 Jul 2015 #218

Yes people do it to Americans WHO GO THERE. Nobody does that to Americans here hell we'd be craigmatic Jul 2015 #221

Those "traditional cultural practices" asturias31 Jul 2015 #204

As far as women's rights are concerned, yes. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #54

Who said anything about women's rights? I'm just saying we shouldn't stop any adult from marrying craigmatic Jul 2015 #60

so you perceive gender equality and GLBT rights as a white person's issue? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #63

No just an example of us thinking our way is better so we should make the rest of the world craigmatic Jul 2015 #71

So, in your book the North engaged in cultural imperialism by stripping the geek tragedy Jul 2015 #73

Actually the south shot first. Iraq and the Saudis asked for our help against ISIS and I keep craigmatic Jul 2015 #85

We shouldn't "go around the world and tell asturias31 Jul 2015 #207

You have got to be fucking kidding me. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #66

There is the difference between polygamy and polyamorous WDIM Jul 2015 #62

So is this a new round-about way to tell people to fuck off? snooper2 Jul 2015 #40

People are free to alert on the OP, somehow I suspect they geek tragedy Jul 2015 #41

Yes it is. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #220

Just because you can say doesn't mean you're not wrong. n/t Chan790 Jul 2015 #166

Are you suggesting being gay is akin to wanting to have a dozen wives? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #35

We love who we love. Love is not a choice. WDIM Jul 2015 #51

It is possible to love more than 1 person at a time though. uppityperson Jul 2015 #55

marriage isn't about loving only one person, it's committing to one person. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #61

It is about legal protections for a partnership between 2 people. uppityperson Jul 2015 #94

that change in legal status is part of the commitment. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #97

I was born poly. Chan790 Jul 2015 #167

At least you didn't go straight to calling poly families "orgies" this time Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #78

Many polyamorous couples would be hurt and offended by that statement. ncjustice80 Jul 2015 #143

I am for marriage equality. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #145

If you oppose polyamorous marriages you oppose marriage equality.n/t ncjustice80 Jul 2015 #156

Nope. No discrimination, no equality issue. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #162

Thats the same argument conservatards make when they say a gay man can marry a lesbian. ncjustice80 Jul 2015 #223

being gay isn't a choice. polyamoury is geek tragedy Jul 2015 #224

That's ALSO what rethuglicans say about LGBT folks...n/t ncjustice80 Jul 2015 #225

It's actually true about polyamory geek tragedy Jul 2015 #226

No, you're not. No, we don't. No, it isn't. EOM. Chan790 Jul 2015 #168

+1000 n/t DeadLetterOffice Jul 2015 #176

Yes, you are. Yes, you do. Yes, it is. EOM. ncjustice80 Jul 2015 #222

I agree. Gov. needs to stay out of any type of consenting relationships period. nt Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #68

Marriage is something society promotes because pair bonding is good for individuals. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #111

nobody in this culture treestar Jul 2015 #161

The only problem is that asturias31 Jul 2015 #198

I look at it like this the government has no business telling adults what to do in the bedroom. craigmatic Jul 2015 #34

Guess what? Marriage equality was not about what we do in the bedroom, and it's a bit offensive Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #159

You remind me of this lady - rofl jtuck004 Jul 2015 #37

You're the one who's embraced the Pat Robertson argument geek tragedy Jul 2015 #46

"But it's not a civil rights issue." Chan790 Jul 2015 #169

I'm not threatened by it. Just annoyed by the meritless geek tragedy Jul 2015 #171

Again, another opinion of yours posited as fact. Chan790 Jul 2015 #201

Polyphobes? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author asturias31 Jul 2015 #206

Can't help be reminded of people comparing transgender and "transracial." NuclearDem Jul 2015 #38

Aren't you comparing them in this OP? uppityperson Jul 2015 #42

No, I'm distinguishing them. I am not making the absurd argument geek tragedy Jul 2015 #44

Dogs have fur, fish have scales. I compared them, showed they are different. uppityperson Jul 2015 #45

yes, those implying/stating that the legalization of same-sex marriage implies geek tragedy Jul 2015 #48

Thanks for clarifying. It takes time but I appreciate it when people do as things aren't always as uppityperson Jul 2015 #50

had to edit the title down to fit in the subject line geek tragedy Jul 2015 #53

Comparisons show how things are similar. Contrasts show how things are different. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2015 #84

That is true also. Language is interesting, off to the dictionary to find...we are both correct uppityperson Jul 2015 #93

They cite the bible, but they ignore Solomon and Abraham The Blue Flower Jul 2015 #49

Yes indeed. ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #76

Good op. cwydro Jul 2015 #79

May I share a rather irrelevant but perhaps to some amusing story? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #86

A fine example of cognitive dissonance. Attacking bigots while defending your own bigotry. DesMoinesDem Jul 2015 #88

Just curious, if Polygamy takes place in countries that are the worst ones for gender equality hughee99 Jul 2015 #91

For your benefit, I will copy and paste point 3 which you apparently missed. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #95

Oddly enough, I read all of that and followed the link before I posted. hughee99 Jul 2015 #99

The studies concluded that polygamy drives increased crime, increased suffering geek tragedy Jul 2015 #100

So you're telling someone they can't marry the people they love hughee99 Jul 2015 #107

Yes, when things are bad for society we pass things called "laws" geek tragedy Jul 2015 #112

Right? Who knew we had so many strict libertarians on the board? n/t prayin4rain Jul 2015 #115

even in THIS country it has been bad for women and children restorefreedom Jul 2015 #140

What an awful OP Bonx Jul 2015 #92

I am very glad you dislike it, nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #96

Thank you so much for this post get the red out Jul 2015 #101

Yep! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2015 #102

Yes indeed DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #103

India allows polygamy (that may be why its blue is different) Recursion Jul 2015 #104

Interesting, and depressing, geek tragedy Jul 2015 #106

The male infanticide is limited to one corner of one state Recursion Jul 2015 #108

Also, somewhere I've seen a ploygamy/infanticide correlation chart Recursion Jul 2015 #109

Marriage is important to society because pair-bonding is important to individuals. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #110

Bigotry against consenting adults who wish to marry is not my idea of a progressive value. nt kelly1mm Jul 2015 #113

you should really look up words like 'bigotry' geek tragedy Jul 2015 #114

BIGOTRY - stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's kelly1mm Jul 2015 #116

having opinions isn't bigotry, neither is pointing out geek tragedy Jul 2015 #118

"when certain practices are known to produce negative outcomes. " Bonx Jul 2015 #119

No, that's not where you heard that line of reasoning. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #120

Sorry, but your argument Bonx Jul 2015 #123

Yes, we are not radical libertarians. Question is why you're here geek tragedy Jul 2015 #124

You're clearly not a progressive. Bonx Jul 2015 #126

so, if a person doesn't support blowing up our legal system in order geek tragedy Jul 2015 #127

"so, if a person doesn't support blowing up our legal system in order Bonx Jul 2015 #130

Okay, so your problem is that you have the concept of radical glibertarianism geek tragedy Jul 2015 #132

He means incestuous relationships between parents NuclearDem Jul 2015 #133

exactly. consenting adults should be allowed to do anything! geek tragedy Jul 2015 #134

You're heavily confusing the idea of "This is gross" Kurska Jul 2015 #214

Polyamory is already legal. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #216

There is the objective consequence and there is the subjective reaction LanternWaste Jul 2015 #121

Learning to craft an argument Bonx Jul 2015 #125

Homophobic bullshit about samesex marriage is utterly unsubstantiated. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #131

That line of reasoning lancer78 Jul 2015 #194

you sound the same as the right wingers we have been fighting Nobel_Twaddle_III Jul 2015 #137

No, I sound like the counsel for plaintiffs in geek tragedy Jul 2015 #138

Articulating where the government has a legitimate legislative prayin4rain Jul 2015 #117

Thank you Hekate Jul 2015 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author nilesobek Jul 2015 #142

Thank you OP romanic Jul 2015 #144

"the ones that permit polygamy are also the most heinously homophobic". Is there not one other major WinkyDink Jul 2015 #146

Where monogamy has replaced polygamy geek tragedy Jul 2015 #147

People who don't properly compare same-sex marriage and polygamy need to fuck off BKH70041 Jul 2015 #150

Says you and Warren Jeffs. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #163

Yes, thanks for the post n/t TubbersUK Jul 2015 #151

I may not get applauds for this... tymorial Jul 2015 #152

I see this as number discrimination more than anything smiley Jul 2015 #153

Yes, they do. hunter Jul 2015 #154

I guarantee you almost no anti-polygamy law was ever written and passed..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #155

Palestinian law explicitly permits polygamy oberliner Jul 2015 #158

exactly it is backwards treestar Jul 2015 #160

I'm fine with polygamy. NaturalHigh Jul 2015 #164

Yes, it is fine in theory. asturias31 Jul 2015 #196

A lot depends on what the legal framework will be for arguing polygamy Wella Jul 2015 #165

There's no way that courts are going to abolish monogamous marriage laws. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #172

People said the same 40 years ago--even 20--about gay marriage Wella Jul 2015 #174

The two situations are radically different. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #185

Thank you for making some relevant points. Wella Jul 2015 #189

Problem is, feminists HATE polygamy. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #190

That's a bit of a non sequitur, but I'll address it. Wella Jul 2015 #193

People who are unclear on the difference between "compare" and "equate" need to... Iggo Jul 2015 #170

People who want to deny the right of a woman and two men to marry need to fuck off. Vattel Jul 2015 #173

That right doesn't exist. It's as imaginary as geek tragedy Jul 2015 #175

see post 173 Vattel Jul 2015 #180

Okay, I denounce everyone who denies the right geek tragedy Jul 2015 #188

Why can I only rec this thread once? Nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #177

You REALLY have a bug up about this issue, doncha? DeadLetterOffice Jul 2015 #178

If I believe an adult male who wants to marry his mom and dad should not have that right.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #181

I'm not talking abouta guy who wants to marry his parents. DeadLetterOffice Jul 2015 #182

I don't think the poly people are scum... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #183

It's not bigotry, there is no prejudice, not even geek tragedy Jul 2015 #187

You're right, advocating for a social structure that treats women like property NuclearDem Jul 2015 #197

It's sad how easily some of us allow ourselves to be used./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #179

Kick and rec. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #184

Yeah! what's up with that! Cha Jul 2015 #186

I can't freaking believe asturias31 Jul 2015 #191

A-fucking-men. JTFrog Jul 2015 #192

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #199

This times a whole lot DiverDave Jul 2015 #200

They don't need to shop that bigotry at a liberal/progressive website, that's for sure. nt MADem Jul 2015 #202

What is amazing is that like any troll they baited some innocent fish./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #205

Very good analysis. Thank you. jwirr Jul 2015 #208

Absolutely, and the agenda also includes an opportunity to bash Muslims. Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #210

This is wher it gets tricky asturias31 Jul 2015 #213

There are many aspects to many religions which people participate in willingly, where there are Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #215

Especially when posting a map that highlights mainly Muslim nations oberliner Jul 2015 #219

I thought about the issue some more... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #211

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2015 #212