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98. I wish I knew something to say. The only thing I can think of is that, while still very painful,

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Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:29 PM

Sep 2015

it's so much better than even five years ago and that makes me hopeful for more soon.

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Who knew that the Pope was Catholic? [View all] mhatrw Sep 2015 OP

Really? You're shocked that Democrats on a Democratic board get pissed about a man who PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #1

The guy is heroic within the constraints of a terrible doctrine. mhatrw Sep 2015 #4

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #9

I don't dig a bigot. I like his views on economic justice. mhatrw Sep 2015 #26

Rick Santorum is for raising the minimum wage are you going to praise him too? LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #57

GW Bush did good things on AIDS in Africa. No one on DU eve praises him for that, here is Gene Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #72

He is still the leader of an organization which actively oppresses millions. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #10

Sure, the Pope and the Catholic Church deserve criticism. mhatrw Sep 2015 #27

There is NO economic justice without reproductive freedom. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #29

Yeah, we wouldn't want anybody with any influence making the case mhatrw Sep 2015 #37

There can be no economic justice without reproductive freedom. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #41

you have the economic luxury of taking that absolute stand virtualobserver Sep 2015 #78

Quite the contrary. Those people need birth control to held escape poverty more than I ever would. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #79

they need that as well......but this Pope has taken a step in the right direction virtualobserver Sep 2015 #80

"The Gorbachev of the Vatican" hifiguy Sep 2015 #123

Sure. Who's the more righteous man? One who left the church because Hortensis Sep 2015 #33

What has he changed? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #35

Peace, Nikki. I came back just to point out that Hortensis Sep 2015 #39

What change? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #69

Your comment noted, Blue. Ship of Planet doesn't come around Hortensis Sep 2015 #73

No, you offered much more. Your comment made no mention of the African AIDS crisis which I Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #82

And yours completely ignores the Church's role in caring for people. Hortensis Sep 2015 #84

No, it is yours that is incomplete, the running narrative here is 'the Pope is great' so I point out Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #88

Speaking truth isn't truth if it's grossly distorted by exclusion. Hortensis Sep 2015 #94

He's the guy who gets to change the doctrine. Limbo finally went; so can homophobia and misogyny. merrily Sep 2015 #12

And at a time when reproductive freedom is being ferociously attacked, the last ting I want to do PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #13

I think we can praise him for recognizing the needy, well, need, and should be helped. merrily Sep 2015 #16

You can. I won't. Not now, not ever. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #18

Nor would I force you to. merrily Sep 2015 #19

Reproductive freedom is integral to the discussions on poverty and climate change. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #20

I never said he should be praised for things like that. Indeed, I've been saying the opposite. merrily Sep 2015 #21

I find it bizarre that Catholicism, and Christianity as a whole, gets more criticism than one other WinkyDink Sep 2015 #105

WEIRD, I hear the opposite anytime I criticize Islam. Right, the RCC kills people differently. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #106

Agree! LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #114

Exactly. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #115

Especially since Joe Biden, who most here seem to like, is a devout Catholic (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #2

Joe voted for DOMA and for decades opposed civil rights because of his faith. Don't much like him. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #6

I'm sorry. merrily Sep 2015 #17

Joe and Barack both said shitty things and hired hate preachers to attack us and never apologized Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #23

I know. I'm sorry. I wish it had been otherwise. merrily Sep 2015 #24

My heart is breaking Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #81

Too bad for them. Marriage equality is the supreme law of the land in the USA and we were behind merrily Sep 2015 #99

Oh so bigotry is his heritage and birhtright? And he must be allowed to preach his bigotry in Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #3

Is the Pope Catholic? n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #5

A bigot is a bigot is a bigot is a bigot-Gertrude Stein Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #7

Does a bear sh*t in the woods? n/t CincyDem Sep 2015 #15

Also, Pope McDreamy gets a hell of a lot more love than criticism here. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #8

I expect the Pope to be a bigoted asshole, I do not expect so called 'liberals' to cheer for his Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #11

"This is a political board, not a Catholic board"... SidDithers Sep 2015 #28

I won't like them. But I would agree with them about climate change. mhatrw Sep 2015 #30

I sure as hell would not start OPs in which I claim a racist or bigot is progressive, which is what Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #34

Are we supposed to shun everyone in our lives treestar Sep 2015 #50

I did not say any of these things. Shun? Where did I suggest any such thing? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #91

But they are NOT cheering for his "bigotry and anti-choice conservatism." Maedhros Sep 2015 #101

Perhaps no change in thousands* of years should not be accepted or excused so very casually? merrily Sep 2015 #14

Cake and eat it too. RCC says their Church was established by Christ upon Peter, 'upon this rock' Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #31

I see it as aborbing much older beliefs into Christianity, not as inventing them, but whatever. merrily Sep 2015 #38

I understand. It's just so galling to see DU affect a great devotion to an anti gay bigot. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #42

I'm sorry. I don't think they intend at all to endorse the Church's homophobia or misogyny, only merrily Sep 2015 #44

Rachel came from a very conservative Catholic family, she's not really in charge of my brain. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #93

I wish I knew something to say. The only thing I can think of is that, while still very painful, merrily Sep 2015 #98

Vitriol is an appropriate response to any supporting regressive views... Orsino Sep 2015 #22

Thing is, it's indelible, only if and to the degree the Pope says it is. merrily Sep 2015 #45

Well, to the degree a given Pope says plus centuries of all the other Popes and dogma. Orsino Sep 2015 #48

I think that's an excuse. Limbo was very old and had been explained and justified up the yin yang. merrily Sep 2015 #51

Of course it's an excuse. Orsino Sep 2015 #53

Not so fast. Contraception. You think there's going to be a big outcry against allowing that? merrily Sep 2015 #55

Thanks. I'd forgotten contraception. Orsino Sep 2015 #58

I disagree as to contraception and probably other things too. merrily Sep 2015 #59

"Who am I to judge?" plays very well with those of us who aren't all that judgmental... Orsino Sep 2015 #67

We disagree. And doing the right thing is not contingent upon audience reaction, esp. for a Pope. merrily Sep 2015 #70

Keeping one's powder dry is a genuine concern. Orsino Sep 2015 #74

I said nothing about overnight. You're reaching. merrily Sep 2015 #75

You haven't really specified a time-frame... Orsino Sep 2015 #92

... SidDithers Sep 2015 #25

Thank Jesus that non-progressives can dismiss the Pope's economic justice message. mhatrw Sep 2015 #32

That's the problem right there. You want to define 'justice' to mean 'anti gay and anti choice Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #40

You are the one tying the views together. I am being a good cafeteria Catholic. n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #46

Cafeteria Catholic. LOL... SidDithers Sep 2015 #56

it's always crickets when you ask this question. Always. n/t Fix The Stupid Sep 2015 #63

This is exactly my point. alarimer Sep 2015 #89

Being Catholic is a choice.... SidDithers Sep 2015 #90

Right. Or like being a lower or middle class Clinton supporter. n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #137

If you disagree with one doctrine, why can't you disagree with the all or none doctrine? mhatrw Sep 2015 #109

Democrats don't have Canon Law which forbids such a thing. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #117

Again, I am not a Catholic. But if a self-identified Catholic disagrees mhatrw Sep 2015 #129

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You are preaching to the choir on this one. mhatrw Sep 2015 #133

I'm not. I am pointing out that Catholics (such as RFK, JFK and Biden) mhatrw Sep 2015 #108

It's amazing, isn't it Sid? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #116

A buffet bullshitter? That's a term of art meaning 'hypocrite'. Look, if you can't deal with Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #62

I'm not a Catholic. I was just born that way. mhatrw Sep 2015 #110

Who exactly do you credit him with influencing? With whom is his message resonating? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #43

I think the message is important. mhatrw Sep 2015 #49

With whom is that message resonating? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #54

What the hell is that supposed to mean? mhatrw Sep 2015 #112

rofl PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #113

I followed the subthread. You don't have a single clue mhatrw Sep 2015 #127

lol PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #128

LOL. mhatrw Sep 2015 #131

Weird, I thought all of this week's hubub is because he's speaking to the US Congress. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #132

In the USA, hopefully his message will reach some Republican Catholics. mhatrw Sep 2015 #134

Who knew progressives would go to pieces over a religious leader who happened to say something they Brickbat Sep 2015 #36

Yes, and I'll take agreement where I can get it treestar Sep 2015 #47

Your views are well known. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #66

zzzzzzz treestar Sep 2015 #68

And you who never asked for forgiveness just attack again. You who claim to be bridge building Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #86

The abortion position of the Catholic Church has not been a constant, however. yellowcanine Sep 2015 #52

The "who am I to judge" comment was about priest who remain celebate! LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #61

Yup... SidDithers Sep 2015 #64

Got Hypocrisy? mhatrw Sep 2015 #120

She changed... SidDithers Sep 2015 #121

Why has she changed? Did her deeply held moral beliefs change? mhatrw Sep 2015 #126

You'd have to ask her... SidDithers Sep 2015 #135

I'm suggesting that people can support, say, Obama's views on gay marriage, mhatrw Sep 2015 #138

They do not mind the dishonesty of that claim at all. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #71

"Who am I to judge?" is a BIG step forward mhatrw Sep 2015 #119

His views are based in inequality, not equality as you are trying to say. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #60

Who knew that Pat Robertson was a Southern Baptist? LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #65

Gee, maybe I should be more tolerant of someone who is against LGBT rights Deadshot Sep 2015 #76

I don't expect him to embrace abortion, gay rights or women as priests, gateley Sep 2015 #77

Of course he's judging us. He opposes our equal rights. It is not possible to determine that some Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #83

I understand your point, but perhaps you could try to understand mine, too. gateley Sep 2015 #85

Your point is that he's not judging, but he is. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #95

Thank you for your response. nt gateley Sep 2015 #100

The deal is to accept ANY of it, you have to accept ALL of it, even the nasty parts. alarimer Sep 2015 #87

That's only the deal if you make it the deal. mhatrw Sep 2015 #122

He's the bigoted mouthpiece of a global child abuse ring. Codeine Sep 2015 #96

So much conflicting imagery from this Pope. BlueIndyBlue Sep 2015 #97

A bear in the woods told me underpants Sep 2015 #102

Who knew so-called progressives would slobber over the head of a Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #103

Who knew that progressives would salute the flag of mhatrw Sep 2015 #124

At least here women are now entitled to vote and hold power, abortion is (somewhat) legal, Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #136

Off Topic - sorta - but when I was growing up in N.E. Wisconsin ... Myrina Sep 2015 #104

His message isn't refreshing or new, in addition you are arguing that Catholic beliefs are bigoted.. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #107

I don't give him a pass. I appreciate that he's good for a Pope. mhatrw Sep 2015 #125

People need to realize that the Pope's not anyone's trained monkey. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #111

People do what they've done since the first BBS...they vent their pent up anger and Rex Sep 2015 #118