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174. Forget the gun lobby. The people will not permit it.

Sat Oct 3, 2015, 07:44 PM

Oct 2015

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How exactly do you intend to "overwhelm" the gun rights lobby, no less effectively sneak a repeal of a constitutional amendment past anyone?

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-have-no-impact-on-support-for-gun-rights-in-the-us

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179213/six-americans-say-guns-homes-safer.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179045/less-half-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/10/growing-public-support-for-gun-rights/

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Nothing is off the table--No idea is too stupid to consider [View all] Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 OP

Ban the publication of their names and manifestos? Recursion Oct 2015 #1

Excellent. I watched CNN Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #13

Americans are addicted to violence and the Schadenfreude .. ananda Oct 2015 #21

or do an intervention nt LiberalElite Oct 2015 #173

Change the laws that men wrote 300 years ago by writing new laws? Easy. Just need the will, and if Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #2

Adopt sensible gun restrictions like Brazil's? (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #4

Canada. Australia. U.K. Pretty much anywhere in the West that the NRA does not exist. Obviously. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #5

Our population isn't like Canada's or Australia's. It's like Brazil's. (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #6

Is the population of Brazil not also Homo sapiens? I will have to research that. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #7

The population of Brazil is ethnically diverse and economically unequal Recursion Oct 2015 #8

Um, "fucking yellowing parchment? Ms. Yertle Oct 2015 #30

No one's wanting to change the First Amendment treestar Oct 2015 #31

The words used to describe Ms. Yertle Oct 2015 #36

Not necessarily true treestar Oct 2015 #39

You know better. branford Oct 2015 #38

Why would everything end up repealed because the 2nd did? treestar Oct 2015 #42

Here's why it won't happen: Ms. Yertle Oct 2015 #45

Hunting licenses are down across the board and I think *we* could get more than 4.5 million Hestia Oct 2015 #102

What does hunting have to do with the 2A? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #103

You're the one who suggested that no one would want to change the First Amendment branford Oct 2015 #47

Who really thinks the 2nd Amendment would be "done away with".... virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #110

Heck, how would blue, yet rural, states like Vermont, Oregon, Washington, New Hampshire, etc. vote? branford Oct 2015 #112

Yes, yes it is. ryan_cats Oct 2015 #72

Cross the Rubicon? You are about 95 years too late... Thor_MN Oct 2015 #84

When have we ever amended the Bill of Rights? branford Oct 2015 #89

"are not comparable to anything else in the Constitution." Thor_MN Oct 2015 #94

You are certainly entitled to feel that way. branford Oct 2015 #96

No, we all are entitled to feel that way, considering that is our Constitution. Thor_MN Oct 2015 #101

yay extraconstitutional dictates Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #48

Mentioning logic ryan_cats Oct 2015 #70

Our gun laws are obsolete. They were meant for a different era, not for the 21st century. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #3

Any specifics? Obama said the same thing yesterday and the criticism Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #10

If that's the case, branford Oct 2015 #41

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #123

congress won't even allow the conversation..... spanone Oct 2015 #9

Papraphrasing your idea: vote the bums out of office who are owned by the NRA Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #11

everytime i vote...that's what I do. spanone Oct 2015 #12

But that's not going to happen in places like Roseburg CanonRay Oct 2015 #20

Neither will the murder apologists SwankyXomb Oct 2015 #19

Murder apologists that infest DU? GGJohn Oct 2015 #22

Name one. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #53

We're not allowed to name other DU members in our posts. valerief Oct 2015 #128

Name a few Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #131

Stricter gun control and Universal Health Care. HughBeaumont Oct 2015 #14

What specifically would we need for stricter gun control? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #15

I'd start with SheilaT Oct 2015 #16

Newtown parents have been doing that - showing up at the opening of Congress with the Hestia Oct 2015 #104

I did not know that. SheilaT Oct 2015 #106

going to need a lot of paper DustyJoe Oct 2015 #201

How about requiring a resume with references, including the doctor? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #17

So, what other rights require references, including a Dr.'s ok? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #24

None. treestar Oct 2015 #32

How about we stick with basic due process. branford Oct 2015 #43

Nothing bad ever happened from a poorly cast vote Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #49

Iraq Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #132

Yeah but you see the thing is it's just that you know and stuff. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #140

Really? GGJohn Oct 2015 #73

Yes they are and yes they do involve "deadly weapons" and Due Process could be satisfied Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #62

Hint hint, here's the difference, driver licenses are a privilege, GGJohn Oct 2015 #80

You are wrong. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #82

Wrong, every DMV handbook states that a driver license is a privilege. GGJohn Oct 2015 #83

The law determined that a license is a property right. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #85

You may very well be right on driver license, I haven't read a driver handbook in over 40 years, GGJohn Oct 2015 #86

wrong spot... Thor_MN Oct 2015 #95

Huh? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #98

I hit reply in the wrong spot. Thor_MN Oct 2015 #99

Oh, ok. GGJohn Oct 2015 #100

Disband the NRA NV Whino Oct 2015 #18

How do you disband the NRA? GGJohn Oct 2015 #23

I can think of many ways to bring it down NV Whino Oct 2015 #25

How about you stop trying to eradicate the Constitution, branford Oct 2015 #46

Right. People here need to look at the Second Amendment's home page. They're like ALEC in their ancianita Oct 2015 #113

I have one solution to bring the top NRA brass down. DinahMoeHum Oct 2015 #51

The NRA has been audited numerous times and each and every time, GGJohn Oct 2015 #76

That's not actually a certainty. branford Oct 2015 #105

The government should have the authority hughee99 Oct 2015 #202

Registration, insurance, background checks and psyche screenings brush Oct 2015 #26

There have been no mass killings since Port Arthur? Marengo Oct 2015 #130

1. Win the Presidency in 2016 tishaLA Oct 2015 #27

I am more and more leaning toward banning guns. upaloopa Oct 2015 #28

^^^This^^^ -none Oct 2015 #29

Yes, states might be the level to do it treestar Oct 2015 #33

Actually 44 states sarisataka Oct 2015 #35

oh joy treestar Oct 2015 #37

I believe most states sarisataka Oct 2015 #40

I find it interesting that Minnesota does not have a constitutional RKBA. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #55

Well said. One pathway is new judges on SCOTUS, and a new gun legal case to bring before them. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #34

Make gun owners social outcasts? hack89 Oct 2015 #120

It worked with cigarettes upaloopa Oct 2015 #165

You're certainly welcome to try, and nothing is stopping you. branford Oct 2015 #171

Not really hack89 Oct 2015 #177

I support a ban of handguns and all rifles except for bolt action hunting rifles tabasco Oct 2015 #44

Semi-automatic firearms are legal for hunting in most states. Marengo Oct 2015 #127

Study Australia and U.K. moondust Oct 2015 #50

1. Many thousands of shooters already make their own bullets. Limiting ammunition would Enthusiast Oct 2015 #52

We don't avoid making laws because people will do the action anyway. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #64

I would support a buyback effort TeddyR Oct 2015 #160

Talking with my local beat cop last night, he reiterated what he's been saying since I've known him LanternWaste Oct 2015 #54

Dam that sounds like a smart idea! Rex Oct 2015 #57

That'll take years to work with the already stored ammo out there. Besides, thousands know how ancianita Oct 2015 #114

I'm sure that will work for the week it takes for criminals to develop a work around Taitertots Oct 2015 #121

But, you don't stop making laws just because people will break them. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #133

You don't pass laws that do nothing either Taitertots Oct 2015 #145

Ban all but hunting rifles. Rex Oct 2015 #56

You do realize that the AR platform makes a great hunting rifle? GGJohn Oct 2015 #90

What's the issue with bow hunting? Marengo Oct 2015 #125

What about hunting shotguns? ileus Oct 2015 #185

Here's one too stupid to consider Fumesucker Oct 2015 #58

Everything is on the table. What ideas do you have? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #65

At this point I'm not sure there is a cure that won't be worse than the disease in the long run Fumesucker Oct 2015 #66

I think to an extent you are correct, but I do not think it is futile. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #67

The Drug War has beeng going on for nearly a century now Fumesucker Oct 2015 #68

Despite the risk of an irony-overload ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #115

Just looking at a thread where it's "proper procedure" for police to beat an elderly stroke victim Fumesucker Oct 2015 #118

I don't think banning guns will "fix" society. But...it is a start. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #134

Gun Tax libodem Oct 2015 #59

Read the NFA. There already is a significant tax for automatic weapons. branford Oct 2015 #61

Bullshit. GGJohn Oct 2015 #91

Because all insurance works that way. SheilaT Oct 2015 #108

+1 Scootaloo Oct 2015 #109

Bingo. SheilaT Oct 2015 #111

Require every friggin gun in the USA to have a GPS tag; develop for all schools and public kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #60

Five seconds in a microwave oven would put paid to all those friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #87

I like the automatic clip idea... ileus Oct 2015 #187

Minimum age to own guns treestar Oct 2015 #63

Number 1. ryan_cats Oct 2015 #69

We need more, obviously. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #136

take the 2nd literally restorefreedom Oct 2015 #71

That argument was put to bed with the Heller v DC ruling GGJohn Oct 2015 #92

well that was not cool imo restorefreedom Oct 2015 #93

"wonder how the founders would see this now" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #124

there were other issues in play restorefreedom Oct 2015 #129

"would you rather that we all had tanks and grenades at our disposal?" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #137

okey dokey. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #139

Take a look at the Democratic Party platform while you are at it hack89 Oct 2015 #178

the dems are just as afraid of the nra restorefreedom Oct 2015 #181

President Obama, who taught constitutional law, says it protects an individual right. hack89 Oct 2015 #188

tomato, tomaaato restorefreedom Oct 2015 #195

All you need to do is get the American public behind you hack89 Oct 2015 #197

i know its not gonna happen restorefreedom Oct 2015 #199

What would the founders think about abortion, gay marriage or woman voting? hack89 Oct 2015 #179

they do change restorefreedom Oct 2015 #182

If the notion of armed citizens is outdated hack89 Oct 2015 #189

i would not be opposed to it. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #196

It is still very unlikely. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #198

i know and it saddens me. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #200

I would love to see the Founders experience the internet. nt branford Oct 2015 #191

Who are the "lunatics" in your statement? Marengo Oct 2015 #135

Want to change people's minds about guns? Start publishing photos from these massacres. frizzled Oct 2015 #74

If showing fetuses on operating tables is OK why not the horrifying deaths of children by guns? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #75

actually, that is not a good way restorefreedom Oct 2015 #88

The problem with changing gun laws Chemisse Oct 2015 #77

Criminalize gun violence Red Mountain Oct 2015 #78

The problem is that, thanks to publicity, gun massacres are on the minds of young people. Chemisse Oct 2015 #79

It s true. The media should not give any publicity to the shooter. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #81

It's a wonder hw some people get to work in the morning, or to the grocery store, Thor_MN Oct 2015 #97

Few things... Scootaloo Oct 2015 #107

OK...Nurture culturally relevant coming of age rituals like Shamanic hunter/gatherer societies have. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #116

Let's step back from the mass murders for a second forthemiddle Oct 2015 #117

National Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Universal Campus Carry...n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #119

How stupid can we be to stop something that happens infrequently Taitertots Oct 2015 #122

Naaa...we can do lots of things without resorting to magic wands. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #138

Hack all the GOP Congress members' votes to our advantage. valerief Oct 2015 #126

Engage in dialogue with gun nuts. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2015 #141

Talking to gun advocates is an excellent idea. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #143

Unfortunately the phrase "gun control" causes these people to not hear you anymore. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2015 #144

True. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #146

most have tried to nename it Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #148

But, what would go somewhere in your eyes? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #149

Well I have stated it many times but here are a few Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #150

I have been thinking of something similar Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #152

annual backgound checks Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #155

It always comes back to gun control. beevul Oct 2015 #159

It's called compromise. branford Oct 2015 #156

I've been on the fence mostly when it comes to universal background checks. Waldorf Oct 2015 #163

As a beginning, open-up the NICS system to private sellers. branford Oct 2015 #167

Opening up the NICS to private sellers has always sounded like an excellent idea. Waldorf Oct 2015 #170

I believe it is indeed popular. branford Oct 2015 #172

Either repeal/modify the 2nd amendment or get different Supreme court Judges n2doc Oct 2015 #142

of course then it would just Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #151

There's zero chance of modifying or amending the Second TeddyR Oct 2015 #162

Only so long as people don't make repeal/modification their #1 priority n2doc Oct 2015 #166

Forget the gun lobby. The people will not permit it. branford Oct 2015 #174

When people have had enough of the madness things will change n2doc Oct 2015 #176

Any other ideas? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #147

Gun buybacks are pretty popular NobodyHere Oct 2015 #153

Mandatory firearm insurance is a non-starter. branford Oct 2015 #158

We need to do what we can to humanize society libodem Oct 2015 #154

Someone on DU the other day had what I thought was a good idea. stage left Oct 2015 #157

How about we treat young men who want guns like we do women who want an abortion? riversedge Oct 2015 #161

that's actually a pretty well-done meme, there. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #192

Get the guns. Iggo Oct 2015 #164

Have the 2nd Amendment grammar checked... lame54 Oct 2015 #168

Ban and confiscate all repeating arms with more then 6/7 round capacity. jmg257 Oct 2015 #169

Such a proposal is prima facie unconstitutional under Heller and McDonald. nt branford Oct 2015 #180

Understood. But long ago the people decided the declarative Militia purpose of the 2nd was jmg257 Oct 2015 #184

That would be one heck of a "reinterpretation," branford Oct 2015 #190

Hey - I just answered the question as I see what would be necessary... jmg257 Oct 2015 #193

Make it illegal to own more than 2 guns. ErikJ Oct 2015 #175

3 or more guns is an "arsenal?" branford Oct 2015 #183

Doesn't matter - one is enough - with enough ammo & reloads. nt jmg257 Oct 2015 #186

Different firearms have different purposes, just like any tool. branford Oct 2015 #194

A comprehensive federal law that requires... ancianita Oct 2015 #203