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In reply to the discussion: Susan Sarandon: "all I know is that I just can’t live with myself if I don’t say something." [View all]Fla Dem
(24,004 posts)104. His statement doesn't refer to Gay marriages.
It speaks to imposing moralistic laws on a wide variety of issues and groups. Which in itself is commendable, but does not address changing laws to allow Gays to marry. Hey I'm glad both our candidates have evolved on Gay marriage and other issues.
NEWS + OPINION » INSIDE TRACK
Fuggedaboudit?
Sanders continues to refuse to give a clear answer regarding his position on civil unions.
By PETER FREYNE
JANUARY 26, 2000
Obtaining Congressman Bernie Sanders position on the gay marriage issue was like pulling teeth...from a rhinoceros. Last month, shortly after the decision of the Amestoy Court was issued, Mr. Sanders publicly tried walking the tightrope applauding the courts decision and the cause of equal rights without supporting civil marriage for same-sex couples.
This week we were no more successful getting a straight answer. All we did get was a carefully crafted non-statement statement via e-mail from Washington D.C. And Bernies statement wins him the Vermont congressional delegations Wishy-Washy Award hands down.
Once more he applauds the court decision but wont go anywhere near choosing between same-sex marriage and domestic partnership. By all accounts the legislature is approaching this issue in a considered and appropriate manner and I support the current process.
Supports the current process, does he? What a courageous radical!
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/fuggedaboudit/Content?oid=2291039
Fuggedaboudit?
Sanders continues to refuse to give a clear answer regarding his position on civil unions.
By PETER FREYNE
JANUARY 26, 2000
Obtaining Congressman Bernie Sanders position on the gay marriage issue was like pulling teeth...from a rhinoceros. Last month, shortly after the decision of the Amestoy Court was issued, Mr. Sanders publicly tried walking the tightrope applauding the courts decision and the cause of equal rights without supporting civil marriage for same-sex couples.
This week we were no more successful getting a straight answer. All we did get was a carefully crafted non-statement statement via e-mail from Washington D.C. And Bernies statement wins him the Vermont congressional delegations Wishy-Washy Award hands down.
Once more he applauds the court decision but wont go anywhere near choosing between same-sex marriage and domestic partnership. By all accounts the legislature is approaching this issue in a considered and appropriate manner and I support the current process.
Supports the current process, does he? What a courageous radical!
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/fuggedaboudit/Content?oid=2291039
OutwardEXPANDING THE LGBTQ CONVERSATION OCT. 5 2015
Bernie Sanders Champion of Marriage Equality. Its Just Not True.
By Mark Joseph Stern
>>>>>>>Snip<<<<<<<
Like his current Senate colleague Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, Sanders deserves credit for opposing DOMAthen a popular measure with bipartisan supportwhile a member of the House of Representatives in 1996. But Sanders efforts to parlay this vote into indisputable proof of his marriage equality bona fides ring hollow in light of his statements at the time. Explaining his vote in 1996, Sanders chief of staff told the Rutland Herald that Sanders vote was motivated by a concern for states rights, not equality. Explaining that he wasnt legislating values, she noted that Sanders believed DOMA violated the Constitutions Full Faith and Credit Clause by allowing one state to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another. Youre opening up Pandoras box here, she said told the Burlington Free Press at the time. Youre saying that any state can refuse to recognize the laws of another state if they dont like them.
Perhaps Sanders team used this states rights rationale to limit backlash from anti-gay voters. That would be a perfectly acceptable tactic, since his votenot his explanation of itis what matters most. Still, if thats the case, then Sanders should be honest about it. Sanders rhetoric leads listeners to believe that the congressman championed gay rights and rebuked Congress homophobia during the DOMA debate. But in his statements to the press at the time, Sanders defended states rights and made no mention of gay Americans dignity. His vote may have been brave. But it was hardly a full-throated cry for equality.
Full Article at link:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html
Bernie Sanders Champion of Marriage Equality. Its Just Not True.
By Mark Joseph Stern
>>>>>>>Snip<<<<<<<
Like his current Senate colleague Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, Sanders deserves credit for opposing DOMAthen a popular measure with bipartisan supportwhile a member of the House of Representatives in 1996. But Sanders efforts to parlay this vote into indisputable proof of his marriage equality bona fides ring hollow in light of his statements at the time. Explaining his vote in 1996, Sanders chief of staff told the Rutland Herald that Sanders vote was motivated by a concern for states rights, not equality. Explaining that he wasnt legislating values, she noted that Sanders believed DOMA violated the Constitutions Full Faith and Credit Clause by allowing one state to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another. Youre opening up Pandoras box here, she said told the Burlington Free Press at the time. Youre saying that any state can refuse to recognize the laws of another state if they dont like them.
Perhaps Sanders team used this states rights rationale to limit backlash from anti-gay voters. That would be a perfectly acceptable tactic, since his votenot his explanation of itis what matters most. Still, if thats the case, then Sanders should be honest about it. Sanders rhetoric leads listeners to believe that the congressman championed gay rights and rebuked Congress homophobia during the DOMA debate. But in his statements to the press at the time, Sanders defended states rights and made no mention of gay Americans dignity. His vote may have been brave. But it was hardly a full-throated cry for equality.
Full Article at link:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html
Fact Checker
Sanderss evolving and wishy-washy stance on same-sex marriage (Fact Checker biography)
By Glenn Kessler November 3, 2015
>>>>SNIP>-<<<<
In 2006, when Sanders first ran for the Senate, he said that the state was not ready for gay marriage, given the fact that the civil-union law had caused so much political controversy after it was approved. In an Associated Press article about Sanders opposition to a constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage, he was asked whether Vermont should legalize full marriage rights for same-sex couples. He replied: Not right now, not after what we went through.
In an Oct. 26 interview with MSNBCs Rachel Maddow, Sanders acknowledged he urged a go-slow approach on gay marriage: There were anti-civil union demonstrations. The state was very much split. And I felt that at that time, given the fact that Vermont had gone first in breaking new ground, lets take it easy for a while. That was my reasoning.
In an interview with NBC News, Evan Wolfson, the founder and president of pro-gay-marriage group Freedom to Marry, said that Sanders has exaggerated his record on gay marriage. Senator Sanders, at points, has implied that he has been a strong and consistent supporter of the freedom to marry but at crucial junctures, at least publicly, he was not, Wolfson told NBC.
Full Article at link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/03/sanders-evolving-and-wishy-washy-stance-on-same-sex-marriage/
Sanderss evolving and wishy-washy stance on same-sex marriage (Fact Checker biography)
By Glenn Kessler November 3, 2015
>>>>SNIP>-<<<<
In 2006, when Sanders first ran for the Senate, he said that the state was not ready for gay marriage, given the fact that the civil-union law had caused so much political controversy after it was approved. In an Associated Press article about Sanders opposition to a constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage, he was asked whether Vermont should legalize full marriage rights for same-sex couples. He replied: Not right now, not after what we went through.
In an Oct. 26 interview with MSNBCs Rachel Maddow, Sanders acknowledged he urged a go-slow approach on gay marriage: There were anti-civil union demonstrations. The state was very much split. And I felt that at that time, given the fact that Vermont had gone first in breaking new ground, lets take it easy for a while. That was my reasoning.
In an interview with NBC News, Evan Wolfson, the founder and president of pro-gay-marriage group Freedom to Marry, said that Sanders has exaggerated his record on gay marriage. Senator Sanders, at points, has implied that he has been a strong and consistent supporter of the freedom to marry but at crucial junctures, at least publicly, he was not, Wolfson told NBC.
Full Article at link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/03/sanders-evolving-and-wishy-washy-stance-on-same-sex-marriage/
I'm glad both our candidates support the LGBT community.
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