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johnp3907

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104. Lots of other "interesting" pieces on that site.

Thu Aug 25, 2016, 06:23 PM

Aug 2016

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They ask important questions like "Have media taken the Trump bashing too far?"

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/amercian-journalism-collapsing-our-eyes

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/theres-no-western-civilization-without-christianity

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/its-america-save-western-civilization

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/what-early-feminists-meant-equal-pay-equal-work

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/why-women-still-arent-funny

That site is a conservative/libertarian dung heap, and it's sad to see how many DUers fall for this crap.

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University of Chicago Tells Incoming Students: Don't Expect Safe Spaces or Trigger Warnings [View all] megahertz Aug 2016 OP

Excellent!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2016 #1

Good deal. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #2

Holy shit! MicaelS Aug 2016 #3

Wow, they're treating their students like adults! Warpy Aug 2016 #4

Yep awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #108

How DARE they! 7962 Aug 2016 #135

Does that mean it doesn't support special-interest campus groups? Brickbat Aug 2016 #5

I consider it a question of where one stops. malthaussen Aug 2016 #8

I understand you to mean that you reject the concept of trigger warnings utterly. Brickbat Aug 2016 #10

I'd suggest reading the comments at the link. malthaussen Aug 2016 #11

So some trigger warnings are OK, but not others? Brickbat Aug 2016 #19

"OK" is a meaningless label in this context. Orrex Aug 2016 #45

Couldn't have put it better myself. malthaussen Aug 2016 #69

If you pay me $10/hr., I'll be the college cryer who bangs a drum and issues warnings. OK? Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #59

I agree. I understand a university not having a trigger warning prayin4rain Aug 2016 #78

I believe this in regards to classrooms and lecture halls. nt TeamPooka Aug 2016 #128

"Trigger warnings" as a policy really aren't workable. cab67 Aug 2016 #137

Good for them! WillowTree Aug 2016 #6

Sounds good to me. n/t malthaussen Aug 2016 #7

University students are adults, they need to act like it. FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #9

I still appreciate "NSFW" warnings and "Spoiler Alerts". And, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2016 #12

And I still scrolled down. GoneOffShore Aug 2016 #14

Like the old DU "hidden post" warnings, some warnings are impossible to resist. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2016 #18

Trigger warning. Dr. Strange Aug 2016 #22

And not a moment too soon Orrex Aug 2016 #47

Are we body shaming people today? I can never tell when it's ok. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #141

No, we're making fun of CarrotTop. Dr. Strange Aug 2016 #188

Never cared much for the lounge. AtheistCrusader Sep 2016 #231

Let's hope that this catches on. GoneOffShore Aug 2016 #13

You know what happens after you consume something? Warning, Trigger! Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #62

From a gun enthusiastic? saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #154

Glad you are a good shot, and follow safety recommendations, "fellow" enthusiast Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #169

Safe spaces and trigger warnings are antithetical to a university education. drm604 Aug 2016 #15

I can't believe DU drank the kool aid alp227 Aug 2016 #25

alp, show up and heckle the bastids. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #65

my opposition to mandated trigger warnings doesn't come from ideology. cab67 Aug 2016 #138

If you're gay and you're old enough to be in college... XemaSab Aug 2016 #157

Majoring in triggernometry. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #207

Not everyone is as mentally strong or you and I alp227 Aug 2016 #209

Informed consent? Abq_Sarah Aug 2016 #192

it's not about mere opinions - it's about content. alp227 Aug 2016 #206

The course description and syllabus used to be enough info. aikoaiko Aug 2016 #204

ROFL...U of C is the biggest "safe space" on the South Side alcibiades_mystery Aug 2016 #16

Well put. Brickbat Aug 2016 #17

That's where I received both my masters degrees from, and they employed our current president. Exilednight Aug 2016 #21

The UC takes reasonable enough safety precautions for students' bodies. ancianita Aug 2016 #30

My Alma Mater... reACTIONary Aug 2016 #121

What do you think they're doing wrong? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #140

I never received such "kid gloves" from my parents when I was a small child! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #20

Imagine! Exposing yourself to ideas & perspectives at odds with your own. CrispyQ Aug 2016 #23

That's what I remember! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #24

Some ideas are not worthy in academia alp227 Aug 2016 #26

Not sure what point you're trying to make. CrispyQ Aug 2016 #31

Because the best way to expose and oppose that is to stand up to it mythology Aug 2016 #44

Exposing yourself to ideas that go against one's humanity romanic Aug 2016 #83

"And no, falling on the ground in a "die-in" doesn't count." = DUzy MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #99

Because you're not doing these kids any favors making them think the world is fair. nt MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #98

Who gets to decide what ideas are worthy? Abq_Sarah Aug 2016 #193

Exactly awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #109

Like "GMOs are dangerous" DU buys into the "safe spaces bad" alp227 Aug 2016 #27

What good exactly do 'safe spaces' contribute to the world? Albertoo Aug 2016 #29

Freedom of association. What's the harm in them? nt alp227 Aug 2016 #48

Sure - in a non-class room setting hack89 Aug 2016 #55

Surely there are professors who go too far. alp227 Aug 2016 #61

Yeah, that's not how "safe spaces" are being abused these days ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2016 #132

Safety for individuals rooming in women's shelters... LanternWaste Aug 2016 #52

I only endorse genetically modified safe spaces. Orrex Aug 2016 #34

Nice! hueymahl Aug 2016 #37

And what happens when they leave academia? MicaelS Aug 2016 #39

So just because things are "bad" in the real world, people should just kiss up alp227 Aug 2016 #50

Education is supposed to prepare one for the real world. Ikonoklast Aug 2016 #57

Just because something happens in the real world alp227 Aug 2016 #60

First, please show where the UC allows bigotry to be practiced on their campus, or in a classroom. Ikonoklast Aug 2016 #75

How would they push back against bigotry if they are not exposed to it? nt jmg257 Aug 2016 #63

Yes, deal with it, enact change. What exactly is the alternative? Crawl in a hole? MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #100

Most offices and adult education classes I've known seem closer to the safe space side of things Chathamization Aug 2016 #74

That's a rather privileged perspective Orrex Aug 2016 #76

Huh, what? Safe spaces are bad because harassment exists? How does that begin to make sense? Chathamization Aug 2016 #81

Your subject line has nothing to do with anything I posted. Orrex Aug 2016 #89

Even McDonald's says it's opposed to offensive jokes in the workplace. I'd say it's pretty common Chathamization Aug 2016 #91

You are pretending that the workplace is the entire world, which is absurd Orrex Aug 2016 #96

No, I'm appreciating the fact that neither the workplace nor a university is the entire world Chathamization Aug 2016 #186

You do realize that most business that have customers, if those customers abuse the... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #225

If a waitress gets groped, hopefully the offending customer is kicked out by management and... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #224

Free speech in quotes has proven to be a consistent indicator of a pending authoritarian post... TipTok Aug 2016 #73

It would so much more MicaelS Aug 2016 #80

See post #73. I couldn't have said it better myself. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #87

May the inexistent gods bless the U. of Chicago Albertoo Aug 2016 #28

University should prepare you for real life IVoteDFL Aug 2016 #32

"Where there usually are no trigger warnings or safe spaces." NCTraveler Aug 2016 #90

My wife, a very left college professor says.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #33

I remember getting a syllabus well before classes began. That might be a good place KittyWampus Aug 2016 #49

That's the balance that sounds right Patiod Aug 2016 #92

I'm a university professor, though not at U of C. a la izquierda Aug 2016 #35

And what purpose does that warning serve skepticscott Aug 2016 #42

Being fair, history, like science, is a bit different from literature or art.... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #64

You know, perhaps one of the women in the class had an abortion. a la izquierda Aug 2016 #66

The warning is not for the bored little snowflakes, it's for people who have been abused. haele Aug 2016 #71

Probably the wrong place to ask, but this is a good opportunity so I'll risk it. whatthehey Aug 2016 #46

I would think the syllabus would be a perfect opportunity to tag various issues. KittyWampus Aug 2016 #51

My favorite professor in underground was a Latin American historian. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #70

I guess it depends. a la izquierda Aug 2016 #133

Well, that proves it. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #210

We're going on three weeks in! a la izquierda Aug 2016 #214

what I think they're probably saying is ArcticFox Aug 2016 #36

You mean like their econ department? FairWinds Aug 2016 #41

I was thinking we all could of used a warning on what was coming out of there at some point Person 2713 Aug 2016 #54

There was a big one in 2007. Fortunately I pulled the trigger and got outta the market. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #67

yup ArcticFox Aug 2016 #131

Excellent. "Trigger Warnings" and "Safe Spaces" are antithetical to a liberal education hueymahl Aug 2016 #38

I heard someone liken them to homeschooling one's children... GoCubsGo Sep 2016 #239

Anyone walking around thinking that they are entitled to warnings about reality is deluded. Moostache Aug 2016 #40

+1 nt skepticscott Aug 2016 #43

How many people who are celebrating this have talkeded with students after campus wide threats? loyalsister Aug 2016 #53

So a rape survivor can't expect a "safe space" at the school counseling center? thucythucy Aug 2016 #56

It seems unlikely that the policy would work that way Orrex Aug 2016 #72

"If a student takes a course... thucythucy Aug 2016 #105

A Clockwork Orange Orrex Aug 2016 #113

The way I read it, the University is saying thucythucy Aug 2016 #118

Maybe we're simply reading the policy differently Orrex Aug 2016 #122

I think you might be right. thucythucy Aug 2016 #203

Well, that's understandable Orrex Aug 2016 #215

What? That sounds like... like a University!! Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #58

Good. The best way to deal with disturbing and obnoxious ideas is to discuss them. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #68

So the Univ. of Chicago got sucked by the Reich . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #77

That's deplorable. You have every right to your freedom of speech. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #86

Totally agree with you . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #162

Exactly bucolic_frolic Aug 2016 #95

I agree with most of your post, but note that nearly all of the cancelled campus speakers over the.. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #101

Haha wow; people will lose their ever-frickin minds over this... MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #79

And just try to stand up for Palestinian rights on a college campus . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #82

Now it's up to the students ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #84

"Now it's up to the students" NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #88

I tend to agree ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #106

I have not heard that any of these controversial speakers have been class requirements ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #111

Yeah probably ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #112

What opposition to trigger warnings really means loyalsister Aug 2016 #183

So, what all do we need to warn about if we're going to find every single possible Bettie Aug 2016 #187

Way to miss the point loyalsister Aug 2016 #189

you don't get into the U of C by tuning out information you don't agree with. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #97

Oh for sure ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #110

If you read the actual letter, though, they are pretty clear that they're not talking about Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #114

I know--the spin is what is annoying me ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #116

My favorite line from U of C's 2015 report on freedom of expression: MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #85

I agree with academic freedom bucolic_frolic Aug 2016 #93

Safe spaces? Leontius Aug 2016 #94

This is a private website, not a public college. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #143

Well okay then, except Leontius Aug 2016 #175

"The University of Chicago is a private university." NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #176

Northwestern president's reply, ouch Chiquitita Aug 2016 #102

Ouch is right ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #117

It shouldn't be too much to ask loyalsister Aug 2016 #181

Northwestern is a good school, to be sure. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #174

Wow, it really needed to come to this? When I went to college (1988 to 1993), we didn't have 4lbs Aug 2016 #103

Lots of other "interesting" pieces on that site. johnp3907 Aug 2016 #104

yeah, but the letter itself appears real, does it not? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #107

... NuclearDem Aug 2016 #115

When I posted that link, the story was just coming through... megahertz Aug 2016 #119

Good. LS_Editor Aug 2016 #120

Rutgers does the same thing. Once people block the free transfer of information, growth is hampered. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #123

I'm not real sure what this is about, mothra1orbit Aug 2016 #126

A university declaring that it is not a safe space, female students beware! Lordquinton Aug 2016 #124

They're not abrogating laws, they're just dismissing demands for ideological carve-outs. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #134

They are declaring that there are no safe spaces on campus Lordquinton Aug 2016 #142

I think you're misinterpreting what a "safe space" refers to. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #144

First of all, have some self awareness Lordquinton Aug 2016 #151

"without some dude to arguing about what really is rape anyway?" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #164

Safe spaces are places where marginalised groups can feel safe to talk freely Lordquinton Aug 2016 #212

Then they should retire to privately owned areas, like here at DU. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #213

Like if someone entered a class they weren't in? Lordquinton Aug 2016 #216

How is somebody disagreeing with somebody else traumatizing? NuclearDem Aug 2016 #217

Ok, so these people who face the actual real world every day of their lives Lordquinton Aug 2016 #223

Then have an off-campus meeting. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #226

Not a social justice one for sure... Lordquinton Aug 2016 #228

You're the one insisting that minority students are too emotionally-fragile to handle debate. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #229

Nice language co-option there Lordquinton Sep 2016 #233

"You have a long way to come as a progressive." NuclearDem Sep 2016 #235

No group is entitled to commandeer public space for private purposes. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #219

Women and minorities are never allowed to be safe in public, ever? Lordquinton Aug 2016 #222

If other people by virtue of nothing more than their presence can be so debilitating Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #230

I'm gonna stop this discussion Lordquinton Sep 2016 #232

You're stopping the discussion because you have no basis except Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #234

"Hey who wants to help me kick this reporter out? I need some muscle over here." NuclearDem Aug 2016 #218

A despicable episode no different than the Bundy's seizing public land. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #220

And Mizzou's already paying for it. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #221

Homes, workplaces, schools, churches, clubs, etc. are all safe spaces by other names. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #125

Excellent News!! Kilgore Aug 2016 #127

While the big prestigious schools are saying they'll treat students as students . . . DeltaLitProf Aug 2016 #129

I like speakers we can throw eggs and rotten vegetables at. hunter Aug 2016 #130

Often that doesn't happen anymore because the students refuse to let the speakers on campus at all.. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #145

Some speakers shouldn't be tolerated. hunter Aug 2016 #146

"Some speakers shouldn't be 'tolerated.'" Wow, that is a chilling statement to read on here. nt MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #147

Nazis, white supremacists, racists, fascists, eugenicists... hunter Aug 2016 #163

I can think of one. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #166

That's fine by me. hunter Aug 2016 #167

"Some speakers shouldn't be tolerated." NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #148

You want real free speech? hunter Aug 2016 #155

"You want real free speech?" NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #156

Be polite, or else! hunter Aug 2016 #159

Where did I say that I wanted any forced politeness? NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #160

I agree. Certain thoughts should be banned. Throd Aug 2016 #149

Your mindset is exactly the one MicaelS Aug 2016 #150

Oh bullshit. hunter Aug 2016 #152

You just want to silence opinions you don't like. Throd Aug 2016 #153

No, just fascists and other authoritarian war mongerers. hunter Aug 2016 #158

Hide behind Woody all you want. Throd Aug 2016 #161

We are free to speak. We are also free not to listen, and free to be impolite. hunter Aug 2016 #165

"We are free to speak. We are also free not to listen, and free to be impolite." NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #168

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #170

Thank you! Throd Aug 2016 #171

Welcome to the world of the regressive left. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #180

Oh dear, I've violated your safe space, and maybe should have posted a trigger warning. hunter Aug 2016 #185

Kids, this is what happens when you go full Marxist. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #194

Oops. Are you sure you want to say that about me? hunter Aug 2016 #195

Awesome post. Nt MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #196

So, in other words, yes, you do. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #177

No, I'm reasonably certain that the U of C is actually acting on their own committment to the Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #172

Yet I seem to have disturbed a few who would expect everyone to be polite. hunter Aug 2016 #182

You've seen people offended about that Blues Brothers scene? Honestly? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #184

I'll bet I could find a few that rubbed me the wrong way. hunter Aug 2016 #190

I hear it- having someone trying to weasel in and teach creationism to my kids, would set me off. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #202

You might be the most entertaining DUer I've ever met. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #197

Carry on... the popcorn is free in hunter's place. hunter Aug 2016 #199

Does this mean they are elinating their safe space for RW "economists"? Odin2005 Aug 2016 #136

I don't consider it RW bullshit MicaelS Aug 2016 #139

Oh yeah, the University of Chicago, what an ill-regarded educational dump. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #173

Ask Mizzou, Rutgers, Yale, DePaul, or the UC system if they think it's bogus. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #179

Yep. romanic Aug 2016 #208

Where is the TRIGGER WARNING for this thread??? bagelsforbreakfast Aug 2016 #178

Guess I'M old, what are Trigger Warnings? sarcasmo Aug 2016 #191

Dog Whistles... eom Purveyor Aug 2016 #200

This anti "safe spaces" thing is really about CREATING safe spaces forjusticethunders Aug 2016 #198

Here's a better link Chitown Kev Aug 2016 #201

Some students are around but classes don't start 'til Sept. 26. ancianita Aug 2016 #205

See also the president's comments question everything Aug 2016 #211

Am I listening to the voice of saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #227

This should be here...'toon jtuck004 Sep 2016 #236

Wow, that's a lot of strawmen for one toon. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #237

I highly doubt they're lining up "anti-science kooks" to speak at the U of C. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #238

Depends on the "science".n/t jtuck004 Sep 2016 #240

does it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #241

Ask the folks in Chile. The ones who lived. Not kookery, just taking part in the coup of jtuck004 Sep 2016 #242

If you're talking about Henry Kissinger, which is my assumption here Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #243

yeah, it was a cartoon, and usually I like Jen Sorensen's work. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #244