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antigone382

(3,682 posts)
6. I thought about posting something to this effect, but decided not to bother.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:37 AM
Jun 2012

I think it's horribly nasty what those kids did, just like many of the things I saw kids do, and many of the things that were done to me. But it's also horribly nasty to hold a 13-year-old to the same standards as an adult. They can't vote, drink alcohol, or engage in other adult behaviors for a reason. Our brains don't even fully develop until we're 25. What sense does it make to assume that they are completely set and beyond the hope of intervention? Particularly given that many bullies (not all of them) behave that way because it is the behavior that has been modeled to them--often they are verbally and physically abused at home. More viciousness is not going to teach them empathy.

I feel this reflects a larger problem in our society, namely our thirst for retributive justice in all circumstances. Young people do stupid, insensitive, destructive things--like being involved in a fatal car accident due to careless behavior, or even vandalizing something--and though they are often consumed with remorse, or capable of learning and growing from their mistake--though there are a hundred ways that their punishment could be structured in a way that would heal the victims and allow the transgressors to ultimately benefit the society they have wronged, our solution is to throw them in prison for an interminably long time, because it makes us feel better in the short term. We have a system set up in such a backwards way that the legal risk of offering a sincere apology for such mistakes precludes the moral and social benefit of doing so.

There are better ways than this. It is time to move towards restorative justice.

Other bullies don't grow out of it. Just look at Mitt Romney catbyte Jun 2012 #1
Not everyone is Mitt Romney. antigone382 Jun 2012 #5
It should be formed enough not to do what I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #18
I certainly don't think it's acceptable, and it shouldn't be normal. antigone382 Jun 2012 #32
Your post will fall on deaf ears here alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #2
Sorry, but most of the kids who bullied me in elementary and junior high school went coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #3
I hope you're wrong but perhaps you are right Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #4
I heard a discussion about this on the radio this morning. A bullying expert was the guest. calimary Jun 2012 #39
I thought about posting something to this effect, but decided not to bother. antigone382 Jun 2012 #6
Our society is so punishment-centric lapislzi Jun 2012 #8
don't do it Eksess Jun 2012 #23
I never said they shouldn't be held responsible. antigone382 Jun 2012 #31
They only "grow out of it" if they become a victim themselves jeff47 Jun 2012 #7
Comments are saying this isn't actually the kid Tsiyu Jun 2012 #9
I'm not sure if there is any way to know for sure if it is the kid Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #11
A lot of the comments are probably from other kids who Tsiyu Jun 2012 #16
South Park???? you can't be fucking serious Eksess Jun 2012 #24
in answer to your question,,no, I never consumed paint-ships before or after 1978 Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #25
They can be cruel treestar Jun 2012 #10
The point isn't that this behavior is normal or healthy or something to be excused. antigone382 Jun 2012 #14
I behave better now than I did when I was 13. immoderate Jun 2012 #12
The brains of kids this age are not fully formed. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #13
thanks for that link..that program on the teenage brain is really interesting Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #38
And this was not the first video these kids had made proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #15
No sympathy from me. I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #17
Sounds like agent46 Jun 2012 #21
I think it's disrespectful to those actually lynched I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #40
I will agree that the behavior of these children was inexcusable and it was good that they were Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #41
You're a highly moral person agent46 Jun 2012 #42
You know, out of the two of us I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #43
Out of the two of us agent46 Jun 2012 #45
if you would like to help Karen Klein - you can join me and tens of thousands of others in donating Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #33
Doing that tonight, thanks for the link I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #44
Thank you for the lovely post. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #19
I did some shitty things in my youth... but nothing this serve... to an INDIVIDUAL. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #20
I think the way adults are behaving in response to these children is reprehensible. FedUpWithIt All Jun 2012 #22
I felt the same way Politicalboi Jun 2012 #26
bullying is NOT A PHASE Skittles Jun 2012 #27
Your last link is broken. nt MADem Jun 2012 #28
apparently, the number of death threats lead youtube to cancelling it. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #29
Never mind Youtube dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #30
My sympathy meter won't budge. Quantess Jun 2012 #34
I completely agree with the behavior of these little boys being publicly shown. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #36
Have parents been notified? What about school officials? rurallib Jun 2012 #35
oh absolutely, in fact the families are being bombarded with death threats. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #37
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