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antigone382

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31. I never said they shouldn't be held responsible.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 08:33 AM
Jun 2012

I never said there shouldn't be consequences for the kids. I said that thirteen-year-olds are not at the point of being irredeemable sociopaths, and that thirteen-year-olds and their families should not receive death threats. I have no interest in "going on a ride" with you. I don't see you as an enemy, and I don't see this conversation as a battle. I will be glad to have a mutually respectful conversation where we exchange our perspectives with each other. I understand that this is an extremely upsetting topic.

I will tell you a little about my background or what informs my opinion. I got a little taste of every form of abuse as a child from the adults in my life, as well as many of the kids. I know exactly how savagely painful it can be to be on the receiving end of this kind of behavior. I also know that thirteen-year-olds do not have a fully developed capacity for moral reasoning or empathy, and that kids often act out as bullies when they are victims of abuse.

I wouldn't define myself as a bully, but there were definitely times that I said cruel things, and even behaved violently (I was home-schooled until the eighth grade, so this was mostly with siblings and cousins, it was no less difficult for those who had to endure it). I did grow up to regret and account for those actions where I could, but it certainly wasn't because of the older people in my life who bullied me in return. It was because of the people who demonstrated the traits that would prevent bullying, such as empathy, a commitment to justice, and respect for others.

Other bullies don't grow out of it. Just look at Mitt Romney catbyte Jun 2012 #1
Not everyone is Mitt Romney. antigone382 Jun 2012 #5
It should be formed enough not to do what I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #18
I certainly don't think it's acceptable, and it shouldn't be normal. antigone382 Jun 2012 #32
Your post will fall on deaf ears here alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #2
Sorry, but most of the kids who bullied me in elementary and junior high school went coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #3
I hope you're wrong but perhaps you are right Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #4
I heard a discussion about this on the radio this morning. A bullying expert was the guest. calimary Jun 2012 #39
I thought about posting something to this effect, but decided not to bother. antigone382 Jun 2012 #6
Our society is so punishment-centric lapislzi Jun 2012 #8
don't do it Eksess Jun 2012 #23
I never said they shouldn't be held responsible. antigone382 Jun 2012 #31
They only "grow out of it" if they become a victim themselves jeff47 Jun 2012 #7
Comments are saying this isn't actually the kid Tsiyu Jun 2012 #9
I'm not sure if there is any way to know for sure if it is the kid Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #11
A lot of the comments are probably from other kids who Tsiyu Jun 2012 #16
South Park???? you can't be fucking serious Eksess Jun 2012 #24
in answer to your question,,no, I never consumed paint-ships before or after 1978 Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #25
They can be cruel treestar Jun 2012 #10
The point isn't that this behavior is normal or healthy or something to be excused. antigone382 Jun 2012 #14
I behave better now than I did when I was 13. immoderate Jun 2012 #12
The brains of kids this age are not fully formed. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #13
thanks for that link..that program on the teenage brain is really interesting Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #38
And this was not the first video these kids had made proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #15
No sympathy from me. I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #17
Sounds like agent46 Jun 2012 #21
I think it's disrespectful to those actually lynched I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #40
I will agree that the behavior of these children was inexcusable and it was good that they were Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #41
You're a highly moral person agent46 Jun 2012 #42
You know, out of the two of us I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #43
Out of the two of us agent46 Jun 2012 #45
if you would like to help Karen Klein - you can join me and tens of thousands of others in donating Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #33
Doing that tonight, thanks for the link I Love a Mystery Jun 2012 #44
Thank you for the lovely post. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #19
I did some shitty things in my youth... but nothing this serve... to an INDIVIDUAL. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #20
I think the way adults are behaving in response to these children is reprehensible. FedUpWithIt All Jun 2012 #22
I felt the same way Politicalboi Jun 2012 #26
bullying is NOT A PHASE Skittles Jun 2012 #27
Your last link is broken. nt MADem Jun 2012 #28
apparently, the number of death threats lead youtube to cancelling it. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #29
Never mind Youtube dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #30
My sympathy meter won't budge. Quantess Jun 2012 #34
I completely agree with the behavior of these little boys being publicly shown. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #36
Have parents been notified? What about school officials? rurallib Jun 2012 #35
oh absolutely, in fact the families are being bombarded with death threats. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #37
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