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JTFrog

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105. Well you might get upset when they come for your Medicare then.

Fri May 5, 2017, 10:15 AM

May 2017

Last edited Fri May 5, 2017, 05:12 PM - Edit history (1)

They are already planning on it.

Most of us have never had the option of Medicare and don't think we'll ever get it now. But the ACA saved millions of lives during a time that insurance had become a fucking joke and Medicare for all has never even come close to getting passed.

Fuck we all want Medicare for all, but "leave ACA alone, and let it collapse on it's own" is a recipe to kill millions of Americans. THAT is the REAL WORLD I live in.

But I'm glad you like it a lot.

If it were funded and states couldn't opt out of expansions, it would be heaven compared to the hell they are proposing now. Yes, universal healthcare is the only sane option, but good luck with that with these assholes in charge. Sometimes the perfect really is the enemy of the good.

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Fixing the ACA like Hillary proposed now seems pretty damn progressive [View all] boston bean May 2017 OP

To say nothing of Hillarycare itself. tenorly May 2017 #1

Absolutely!!!! boston bean May 2017 #2

+1, K&R!! We would be so much better off if that health care plan had passed. (eom) StevieM May 2017 #128

I still remember those Harry and Louise ads - and the Clintons' very witty attempt to defuse them. tenorly May 2017 #129

I remember that skit. It was really cool. Ultimately, it didn't matter though. StevieM May 2017 #131

If that were happening BainsBane May 2017 #3

That fact is a weird dynamic, isn't. I just see stone silence from some. nt Blue_true May 2017 #5

We have all expressed massive outrage about what Trump did. Ken Burch May 2017 #6

+1 KTM May 2017 #11

Believe it or not BainsBane May 2017 #20

I agreed with the point of the OP Ken Burch May 2017 #23

Considering you don't even know who wrote the OP BainsBane May 2017 #28

THE OP. Sorry. Ken Burch May 2017 #29

People like to forget there was a general election where the choice was fix ACA or boston bean May 2017 #49

And the overwhelming majority of single-payer supporters Ken Burch May 2017 #62

So you keep saying NastyRiffraff May 2017 #121

My grandmother had a saying: brer cat May 2017 #41

I brought that up because the OP was an implicit slam on single-payer supporters. Ken Burch May 2017 #44

It was about the choice in the GE. boston bean May 2017 #50

And everybody here on this board agrees with you on that. Ken Burch May 2017 #61

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #43

You know perfectly well nobody other than right-wingers wanted Trump to win. Ken Burch May 2017 #47

No, actually I don't know that at all. NurseJackie May 2017 #51

I don't agree with Sarandon on that and don't know why you're bringing her up. Ken Burch May 2017 #56

I never said you did agree with her. NurseJackie May 2017 #65

How much can DU really do to ensure that, though? Ken Burch May 2017 #69

To ensure what? NurseJackie May 2017 #71

You didn't say it directly. Ken Burch May 2017 #74

You know perfectly well that I didn't say it at all. NurseJackie May 2017 #81

Ken, I respectfully disagree here. DanTex May 2017 #119

I overstated. Nobody who's kept posting on this site wanted Trump to win. Ken Burch May 2017 #127

Yes, but that misses the point. DanTex May 2017 #132

Check your pm's. Will respond to your post later. Ken Burch May 2017 #133

I would so much rather be complaining that her plans weren't liberal enough. NewDealProgressive May 2017 #80

No kidding. treestar May 2017 #106

+1. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #107

I would happily live in that universe. joshcryer May 2017 #116

No one here would disagree with you on that. Ken Burch May 2017 #4

Good points. TDale313 May 2017 #55

"Anything" would be better? Damn us with the faintest praise you've got.... bettyellen May 2017 #59

I agreed with the OP. Ken Burch May 2017 #64

God forbid you speak to the merits of the Dem proposals... bettyellen May 2017 #68

I agreed that it's much better than what just happened in the House. Ken Burch May 2017 #73

It's a shame you can't speak to how much better out Dem proposals were- I talk about it w people all bettyellen May 2017 #88

I just did. Ken Burch May 2017 #91

Key word is "seems". nt Kirkwood May 2017 #7

lol, not again R B Garr May 2017 #8

You'll of course, expound on whatever little point you're attempting to make, yes? LanternWaste May 2017 #9

I was agreeing with the OP. Kirkwood May 2017 #12

No, actually. What you said was "Keyword 'seems.'" That implies that, though it seems Squinch May 2017 #17

I didn't read it that way zipplewrath May 2017 #31

Somehow I'm not surprised. Squinch May 2017 #58

No, it wasn't at all clear. Ken Burch May 2017 #25

Your post was clear. JTFrog May 2017 #103

Not quite. nt Kirkwood May 2017 #113

You better believe it! nt JTFrog May 2017 #125

Don't let the figure of speech hang you up. Her plan would have been a world better Squinch May 2017 #14

Well, you're wrong. Kirkwood May 2017 #36

Then it would be best not to say them. Squinch May 2017 #60

Case in point. BainsBane May 2017 #15

What the hell does that mean? nt Kirkwood May 2017 #37

Your post is evidence for a point I made BainsBane May 2017 #75

Well if you set the bar low enough zipplewrath May 2017 #10

second case in point. BainsBane May 2017 #16

And besides, her emails. Amiright? Huh? Amiright? Squinch May 2017 #18

yeah, low enough like fake news about false equivalencies. R B Garr May 2017 #19

You must be relieved BainsBane May 2017 #21

Wrong basis of comparison zipplewrath May 2017 #27

You mean the actual options voters faced in November BainsBane May 2017 #30

No zipplewrath May 2017 #33

cool story bro JHan May 2017 #24

So are you happy with Trumpcare? Gothmog May 2017 #40

Oh hell no zipplewrath May 2017 #83

Yup ismnotwasm May 2017 #13

But she wasn't pure enough and...emails workinclasszero May 2017 #22

Hillary is a pragmatic realist. A doer, not a talker. nt Kahuna7 May 2017 #26

I can't even think about it today mcar May 2017 #32

Obamacare is failing because of one reason golfguru May 2017 #34

There was no way to get single payer in the real world Gothmog May 2017 #39

At present the votes for single-payer aren't there in Congress Ken Burch May 2017 #54

Not in the real world Gothmog May 2017 #63

We fight to save the ACA now, then work on single-payer long term. Ken Burch May 2017 #66

Our hands are full just trying to save the ACA Gothmog May 2017 #79

I agree with you on that. Ken Burch May 2017 #86

"Real World" is a smoke screeen golfguru May 2017 #93

I live in the real world Gothmog May 2017 #96

Neither Trumpcare or ACA affects me at all golfguru May 2017 #97

Well you might get upset when they come for your Medicare then. JTFrog May 2017 #105

If you were as old as I am, golfguru May 2017 #130

Again, bully for you. JTFrog May 2017 #134

I never said that... golfguru May 2017 #135

Yes, if only... lunamagica May 2017 #35

Agree-fixing the ACA is looking very good right now Gothmog May 2017 #38

TOTALLY AGREED: If only. NurseJackie May 2017 #42

(on edit)hardly anyone here defends Sarandon. A few, but too few to really matter. Ken Burch May 2017 #45

Do my comments about her bother you? NurseJackie May 2017 #46

What bothers me is your attempt to associate people with Sarandon Ken Burch May 2017 #48

Umm the world does not revolve around du and only du members. boston bean May 2017 #52

I know, right?! NurseJackie May 2017 #67

I can't be responsible for the what anyone imagines my motivation to be. NurseJackie May 2017 #57

Seems pretty obvious the association is self-imposed BainsBane May 2017 #76

I have no idea why that would be. It's a very odd assumption to make. I mean... NurseJackie May 2017 #82

Exactly. BainsBane May 2017 #87

Twisting my words. Ken Burch May 2017 #117

Where exactly was the point of confusion? I imagine somewhere AFTER "Susan" but BEFORE "Sarandon"? NurseJackie May 2017 #120

"Nobody" BainsBane May 2017 #72

Even with the threads you mention, most people here aren't defending Sarandon OR Stein. Ken Burch May 2017 #89

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #92

You're not entitled to belittle or mock people personally. Ken Burch May 2017 #95

ROFL! I'm sure Susan Sarandon will survive the snarky comments about her. :-D NurseJackie May 2017 #101

Not talking about Sarandon. Ken Burch May 2017 #112

Yes you were. NurseJackie May 2017 #114

I don't need to be told to Be Like Keith. Ken Burch May 2017 #115

So, the words "Susan Sarandon" weren't obvious enough? NurseJackie May 2017 #118

Really? Cary May 2017 #109

You know perfectly well that I do. Ken Burch May 2017 #111

Show me where I ever said you didn't vote Democratic Cary May 2017 #122

You posted it in response to me. Ken Burch May 2017 #123

IOW you cannot show where I ever said you didn't vote Democratic. Cary May 2017 #126

You're the only one calling people out BainsBane May 2017 #98

I have no issue with you in this thread. Ken Burch May 2017 #100

All I can say is if you want to be President Thrill May 2017 #53

No doubt! workinclasszero May 2017 #70

We should be gearing up for a fight for a public option right about now. wildeyed May 2017 #77

Right, if we lose ACA kiss single payer goodbye...all those who secretly wanted the ACA to fail Demsrule86 May 2017 #84

I'm just praying that if me or one of my kids goes to hospital, wildeyed May 2017 #85

We are all screwed ...good luck...we will need a super majority to fix this. Demsrule86 May 2017 #94

That can be part of our policy offer for the midterms. Ken Burch May 2017 #90

The Repug House bill is not a fix. It was -and did demolish many good aspects of ACA riversedge May 2017 #78

Absolutely true. Ken Burch May 2017 #124

Anyone who didn't vote for Hillary officially owns a piece of what happened yesterday Blue_Tires May 2017 #99

So do those of us who did vote Clinton... Orsino May 2017 #102

We got out the vote to the tune of 3 million more votes. JTFrog May 2017 #104

I own my own GOTV failure. Orsino May 2017 #108

I spent multiple weekends in 100-degree heat in the summer Blue_Tires May 2017 #110