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20. People are so afraid of pain.

Sun Jun 4, 2017, 03:45 PM

Jun 2017

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In the sixties, there wasn't the option of using those sound-cannons, pain-inducing microwave "crowd control" weapons, or the sort of torture it took fifty or so years to dream up. Back then, one sensed that the USA gov't wasn't all that eager to kill its own citizens. Sometimes I wonder what I'd do under those circumstances if it came to fruition. I would LOVE protesting in a sixties environment. I'm not saying it was easy, not at all. I'm a little envious: some profound results came of it. And I was born a month away from the 70's.

Pain machine or no, I'll be at the next anti-trump march, holding THIS:

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If this were the 60's, many people would rise up against the Trump regime. Without the threat of the [View all] RKP5637 Jun 2017 OP

We have a corporate cable media machine today sharedvalues Jun 2017 #1

+100,000... PoiBoy Jun 2017 #8

We're losing the information war - who is fighting back? sharedvalues Jun 2017 #22

Consistently, the RW has the upper hand in the media/information war. It's so damn RKP5637 Jun 2017 #55

We should be resisting the corporate media. Grassroots groups can do that. sharedvalues Jun 2017 #75

That, is where much of it emanates from, and really what brought us Trump. Profit over country. Yes, RKP5637 Jun 2017 #83

I was looking at this recently, the prevalence of right leaning entities wherever one looks. Left RKP5637 Jun 2017 #27

Yes, people ARE rising up Warpy Jun 2017 #29

It is useless. Television has become a damn useless medium, and a propaganda arm. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #53

TV is corporate. Exactly. How do we get this message out to 80% of Americans? sharedvalues Jun 2017 #76

Sure they would have NobodyHere Jun 2017 #2

They're rising up now, and in about the same numbers, frankly. MineralMan Jun 2017 #3

Maybe I felt it more because I was in school back then. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #7

Yes, and so was I, most of that time. MineralMan Jun 2017 #12

But it's women in vast numbers, men appear to be sitting it out. bettyellen Jun 2017 #9

I don't know about that. Here are some photos: MineralMan Jun 2017 #11

Dem congressional reps were quoted saying 75-80% of phone calls were from women... bettyellen Jun 2017 #14

OK, bettyellen. I'm not keeping counts, frankly. MineralMan Jun 2017 #15

It's not something I thought of until I noticed it a bunch of times, and read about it too. bettyellen Jun 2017 #17

Our local Indivisible meetings are 90% female-attended. nt marybourg Jun 2017 #68

Same here, and I'm in a liberal area. Have heard and seen much the same but was reluctance bettyellen Jun 2017 #69

And we know who was REALLY the engine behind the civil rights marybourg Jun 2017 #70

there are more protests now.. and everywhere! samnsara Jun 2017 #43

Well, he IS presumptively the duly elected marybourg Jun 2017 #4

Rise up in what sense? oberliner Jun 2017 #5

I come across a fair number of people that don't even get what's going on. They think it's just RKP5637 Jun 2017 #6

Gotcha oberliner Jun 2017 #10

The 2016 election ushered in one party rule. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #13

Definitely! "A deformed representative democracy." n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #25

There have been periods of MichMary Jun 2017 #62

NOT two years! More like 60 days (before Ted Kennedy passed), if memory KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #72

Those people in the 60s didn't have student loans Orrex Jun 2017 #16

Excellent point! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #19

I knew a bunch of folks that had student loans in the 60s onenote Jun 2017 #34

Right, you are peggysue2 Jun 2017 #85

I think my interest rate ws 4% Chipper Chat Jun 2017 #87

At that time, you could declare bankruptcy to escape, no? Orrex Jun 2017 #88

And the threat of having an invented felony on your record for protesting. Oneironaut Jun 2017 #41

Picture/image tracking and all of that. It's getting damn hard to be anonymous at a protest anymore. RKP5637 Jun 2017 #51

The American Political System malaise Jun 2017 #18

I think the buffoon in the WH is getting slammed far more than he ever imagined. One RKP5637 Jun 2017 #21

He is hated and he knows it malaise Jun 2017 #24

"King Dump!" n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #26

People are so afraid of pain. Sugar Smack Jun 2017 #20

... RKP5637 Jun 2017 #23

The government notoriously shot its citizens, Kent State, Jackson State, Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #28

I was implying the danger of that specific sequence to occur. Sugar Smack Jun 2017 #38

Nixon was in office for more than five years Progressive dog Jun 2017 #30

Amazing what Trump has accomplished. The world, just about all, hate him. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #31

people are doing what they can. the protest after he got into office was huge JI7 Jun 2017 #32

Yes, I think it will continue to build. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #44

I'm glad current protests have been so calm that Trump can't push need for "law and order" wishstar Jun 2017 #33

It's a really bad situation all the way around, and what is incredible, many of the people being RKP5637 Jun 2017 #45

That, is an excellent point, it could cause a serious backlash. The ass in WH would likely declare RKP5637 Jun 2017 #54

Too bad Nixon was an immoral Crook...could have accomplished many lmore good things. Auntie Bush Jun 2017 #86

We rose up ... on every college I know of in the late 60s, early 70s ... We got NIXON elected karynnj Jun 2017 #35

It took 2 years for Watergate to bring Nixon down. And he wasn't impeached pnwmom Jun 2017 #37

If Trump is gone, then we have Pence. I don't know if that's any better. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #47

I'm sure that Pence would be worse. He's not as stupid and obvious. yardwork Jun 2017 #49

I doubt you were around for the 60's. Without the internet, people's info pnwmom Jun 2017 #36

On my campus we certainly did. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #48

You are forgetting how little information came out about Watergate, pnwmom Jun 2017 #50

Oh, yes, definitely, I was thinking more of Vietnam. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #52

There have been non-stop protests since January, and it's only June. Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #39

Until Americans can't get on their iphones to play candy crush adigal Jun 2017 #40

It helped when we had charismatic people like Abbie Hoffman & the hippies/yippees. It was the kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2017 #42

Yep, it switched!!! I recall that so well! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #46

Here's some good pics from Vietnam War protests. mhw Jun 2017 #56

Thanks! We got tear gassed and tear gassed, then the commanders where we were RKP5637 Jun 2017 #58

We fought for our lives in those protests. "Old enough to Die in a war but not old enough to vote" mhw Jun 2017 #89

Many people HAVE risen against him vlyons Jun 2017 #57

We'll see what happens after the hearings. Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #59

I barely remember the 60's, but MichMary Jun 2017 #60

Yeah, it's always a catch 22 it seems, never knowing for sure which way the chips will fall. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #63

My fear is that too many right-wing Republicans also benefit from Russian interference... AntiFascist Jun 2017 #61

That's what I think too, although I'm surprised at how stable it seems to be. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #65

K&R Boomerproud Jun 2017 #64

I'm surprised Stephen Miller hasn't written/issued/presented a mandate yet for Trump, creepy RKP5637 Jun 2017 #66

I think dissent generally has gotten more dangerous. alarimer Jun 2017 #67

Yes, I agree, tactics today need to be different. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #71

What does "rise up" mean? - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #73

Please see 5, 6, 10. Thx! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #79

The draft lasted until 1973 ...so it certainly took years. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #74

Chomsky. moondust Jun 2017 #77

Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #80

And many people did rise up against Nixon customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #78

2018 will be the deciding point, won't it. Pretty much the weather vane. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #81

Yep customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #82

I haven't heard from you for awhile, I was happy to see your post! RKP5637 Jun 2017 #84

Yes, I've been working on a big project customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #90