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Orrex

(63,333 posts)
24. Why did he maintain an arsenal? For hunting?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:50 AM
Aug 2017

Why did he apply for a CCL? Peer pressure? You imagine that he would never have used these guns, but that's absurd on its face. Far from disrespecting the man, I honor him for maintaining a realistic awareness of the world.

On Martin Luther King Jr.'s attitude about weapons...

If you look at the early period of his leadership in the civil rights movement, particularly the period of the Montgomery Bus Boycott, his household, as one person noted, was an arsenal, with guns all over the place. William Worthy, who was a journalist...tried to sit down in an armchair in Martin King's house and was warned by Bayard Rustin, who was with him, that he was about to sit down on a couple of guns. King was a man of the South, after all, and he responded to terrorism, he responded to violence the way most people in the South would be inclined to respond. So when the Klan...bombed his house in 1956, he went to the sheriff's office and applied for a gun permit to carry a concealed weapon. Now, he didn't get the permit...but Martin King always acknowledged — if you read his writings — the right to self-defense, armed self-defense.
From 'Guns Kept People Alive' During The Civil Rights Movement


Please point me to the episode in which 5 million Indians killed themselves to shame the British. Not "acted without violence" but actually and explicitly committed suicide by the millions. Did I miss that part of the book?

If you are suggesting that Ghandi has no business instructing anyone in morality, you are bonkers.
Fun fact: He also slept naked beside his young grand-niece. I wonder how would that fly if one of today's moral leaders tried it?

Yes, lets learn the lessons of history. Eko Aug 2017 #1
There was considerable violence in Germany before Hitler marylandblue Aug 2017 #2
No. They didn't do the same thing. If, when 100 nazis show up, we show up with 5000, and Squinch Aug 2017 #5
Showing up with 65,853,516 against their 62,984,825 put a Nazi sympathizer in the Whitehouse Orrex Aug 2017 #12
You know that is a silly analogy. Squinch Aug 2017 #13
Yes, because I know that dogmatic insistence upon non-violence is silly Orrex Aug 2017 #14
So I guess Dr. King was just a silly guy. And Ghandi was a joke, huh? Squinch Aug 2017 #16
That is your claim, not mine Orrex Aug 2017 #20
You keep saying that King was not non-violent. He never acted against his non-violence message. Squinch Aug 2017 #21
Why did he maintain an arsenal? For hunting? Orrex Aug 2017 #24
Did Dr. King ever shoot anyone? Did he ever stray from his message of non-violence? Squinch Aug 2017 #26
The question is not "did he" but rather "would he have?" Orrex Aug 2017 #30
So, you seem to be saying that King's non-violence was a show, and Squinch Aug 2017 #31
That's clearly and certainly not what I'm saying. Orrex Aug 2017 #34
You know MLK and Malcolm moved closer together in their views. brush Aug 2017 #29
You don't turn the other cheek to Nazis who are determined to kill you dalton99a Aug 2017 #3
That all sounds wonderful but it's not the same Phoenix61 Aug 2017 #4
What you are describing about the image of liberals is a good description of the image of Squinch Aug 2017 #6
Martin Luther King Jr. maintained a substantial arsenal of firearms Orrex Aug 2017 #7
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #10
Did he ever violently defend himself? Did he pull one of those guns in Selma? Did they Squinch Aug 2017 #15
I agree wholeheartedly. kentuck Aug 2017 #8
While I can appreciate the sentiment leftynyc Aug 2017 #9
Exactly. If you advocate non-violent protests at all times against Nazis KitSileya Aug 2017 #36
Yup... Adrahil Aug 2017 #38
That's why they were so happy with leftynyc Aug 2017 #41
To quote Stokely Carmichael, Nonviolence only works if your enemy has a conscience. backscatter712 Aug 2017 #11
Who turned the tide? Was it Charmichael or King? There is no question that violence is justified Squinch Aug 2017 #17
"Nonviolence only works if your enemy has a conscience." workinclasszero Aug 2017 #19
We aren't talking about the Nazi's conscience, we are trying to get HopeAgain Aug 2017 #27
Exactly. summer_in_TX Aug 2017 #42
No offense, but you sound like Trump leftstreet Aug 2017 #18
That is a horribly offensive thing to say to that poster. "No offense but" makes it all the Squinch Aug 2017 #23
No, it's not leftstreet Aug 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #22
Don't confuse nonviolence with refusal to defend yourself Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #28
The tide of public opinion is already against these fucksticks Egnever Aug 2017 #32
Non-violence is a POLITICAL tactic and only for the brave marylandblue Aug 2017 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #35
Of course its tragic, and I am not brave enough marylandblue Aug 2017 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #39
Non-violence is an outstanding principle, when used by masses MineralMan Aug 2017 #40
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