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29. You know MLK and Malcolm moved closer together in their views.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:20 PM
Aug 2017

King in a way left that side of things to Malcolm. Sometimes you need a two-pronged movement — the negotiators and protectors.

I was just reading this morning that Cornell West, who was at the Charlotteville protests, said that the Antifa people saved many of the protestors from harm.

Here's a snippet from a "Democracy Now" interview of West:

CORNEL WEST: Absolutely. You had a number of the courageous students, of all colors, at the University of Virginia who were protesting against the neofascists themselves. The neofascists had their own ammunition. And this is very important to keep in mind, because the police, for the most part, pulled back. The next day, for example, those 20 of us who were standing, many of them clergy, we would have been crushed like cockroaches if it were not for the anarchists and the antifascists who approached, over 300, 350 antifascists. We just had 20. And we’re singing "This Little light of Mine," you know what I mean? So that the—

AMY GOODMAN: "Antifa" meaning antifascist.

CORNEL WEST: The antifascists, and then, crucial, the anarchists, because they saved our lives, actually. We would have been completely crushed, and I’ll never forget that. Meaning what? Meaning that you had the police holding back, on the one hand, so we couldn’t even get arrested. We were there to get arrested. We couldn’t get arrested, because the police had pulled back, and just allowing fellow citizens to go at each other, you see, and with all of the consequences that would follow therefrom.


Yes, lets learn the lessons of history. Eko Aug 2017 #1
There was considerable violence in Germany before Hitler marylandblue Aug 2017 #2
No. They didn't do the same thing. If, when 100 nazis show up, we show up with 5000, and Squinch Aug 2017 #5
Showing up with 65,853,516 against their 62,984,825 put a Nazi sympathizer in the Whitehouse Orrex Aug 2017 #12
You know that is a silly analogy. Squinch Aug 2017 #13
Yes, because I know that dogmatic insistence upon non-violence is silly Orrex Aug 2017 #14
So I guess Dr. King was just a silly guy. And Ghandi was a joke, huh? Squinch Aug 2017 #16
That is your claim, not mine Orrex Aug 2017 #20
You keep saying that King was not non-violent. He never acted against his non-violence message. Squinch Aug 2017 #21
Why did he maintain an arsenal? For hunting? Orrex Aug 2017 #24
Did Dr. King ever shoot anyone? Did he ever stray from his message of non-violence? Squinch Aug 2017 #26
The question is not "did he" but rather "would he have?" Orrex Aug 2017 #30
So, you seem to be saying that King's non-violence was a show, and Squinch Aug 2017 #31
That's clearly and certainly not what I'm saying. Orrex Aug 2017 #34
You know MLK and Malcolm moved closer together in their views. brush Aug 2017 #29
You don't turn the other cheek to Nazis who are determined to kill you dalton99a Aug 2017 #3
That all sounds wonderful but it's not the same Phoenix61 Aug 2017 #4
What you are describing about the image of liberals is a good description of the image of Squinch Aug 2017 #6
Martin Luther King Jr. maintained a substantial arsenal of firearms Orrex Aug 2017 #7
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #10
Did he ever violently defend himself? Did he pull one of those guns in Selma? Did they Squinch Aug 2017 #15
I agree wholeheartedly. kentuck Aug 2017 #8
While I can appreciate the sentiment leftynyc Aug 2017 #9
Exactly. If you advocate non-violent protests at all times against Nazis KitSileya Aug 2017 #36
Yup... Adrahil Aug 2017 #38
That's why they were so happy with leftynyc Aug 2017 #41
To quote Stokely Carmichael, Nonviolence only works if your enemy has a conscience. backscatter712 Aug 2017 #11
Who turned the tide? Was it Charmichael or King? There is no question that violence is justified Squinch Aug 2017 #17
"Nonviolence only works if your enemy has a conscience." workinclasszero Aug 2017 #19
We aren't talking about the Nazi's conscience, we are trying to get HopeAgain Aug 2017 #27
Exactly. summer_in_TX Aug 2017 #42
No offense, but you sound like Trump leftstreet Aug 2017 #18
That is a horribly offensive thing to say to that poster. "No offense but" makes it all the Squinch Aug 2017 #23
No, it's not leftstreet Aug 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #22
Don't confuse nonviolence with refusal to defend yourself Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #28
The tide of public opinion is already against these fucksticks Egnever Aug 2017 #32
Non-violence is a POLITICAL tactic and only for the brave marylandblue Aug 2017 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #35
Of course its tragic, and I am not brave enough marylandblue Aug 2017 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #39
Non-violence is an outstanding principle, when used by masses MineralMan Aug 2017 #40
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