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101. "Franken issues Thanksgiving Day apology, pledges to regain constituents' trust"

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Thu Nov 23, 2017, 09:49 PM

Nov 2017

Definitely a denial...

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I can hardly believe the amount of power some here are willing to cede to anonymous or virtually [View all] Atticus Nov 2017 OP

Yes .. it's going there as long as media successfully baits the masses FarPoint Nov 2017 #1

As liberals we are invested in the idea that women claiming harassment should be believed. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #2

How about the better approach is that we stop putting the burden on women? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #9

If they come forward, they'll get a hearing. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #13

Yes. cwydro Nov 2017 #22

And the people here posting pictures of Tweeden as proof she's slutty and thus consented? mythology Nov 2017 #49

I was quite outspoken in what I posted about the Tweeden allegations and the various photos. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #63

People post picture at the same event to show she was just fine after this horrifying event... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #130

Anonymous complaints can't be scrutinized at all. They can come from anyone, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #17

Absolutely. Who could argue with that? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #34

You do understand that the journalists will have scrutinized these claims right? mythology Nov 2017 #51

You trust even the NY Times when it comes to hurting Dems? adigal Nov 2017 #55

Journalism long ago adopted the idea Igel Nov 2017 #64

Reporters and editors will scrutinize for the profitability defacto7 Nov 2017 #65

+1 treestar Nov 2017 #121

Yes, I realize that HuffPo published an article I don't think meets journalistic standards. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #66

I was really disappointed in HuffPo for that stupid article womanofthehills Nov 2017 #99

lol treestar Nov 2017 #120

No. Anonymous reports are worthless and should be ignored. Shrike47 Nov 2017 #47

The burden is on the accuser treestar Nov 2017 #119

Innocent until proven guilty...why should you assume they are telling the truth? Any allegation has Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #133

It isn't fair treestar Nov 2017 #118

My brother met a woman online...they are riding along going somewhere when she calls cops and Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #131

Franken's inability to deny the behavior convinced me. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #3

You didn't NEED any convincing! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #5

Franken didn't deny the behavior. He apologized for it. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #6

It's not difficult to imagine all sorts of things. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #8

That was precisely one of the things that helped make up my mind to defend him stevenleser Nov 2017 #10

lol. nt BootinUp Nov 2017 #12

I know! n/t Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #14

Thank you! nt Atticus Nov 2017 #15

I have some sympathy. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #18

Yes, the inability to deny accusations speaks volumes njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #19

He has denied them. cwydro Nov 2017 #24

Could you post the denial njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #26

You are unable to use the internet? cwydro Nov 2017 #28

The last one I deleted because the post I was responding to was deleted njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #31

I have seen you self delete on several threads. cwydro Nov 2017 #33

The other two were late at night and I thought it might be the alcohol talking njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #45

haha, been there! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #114

I've started 100% self-deleting simply because I want to. WinkyDink Nov 2017 #79

Franken's denial njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #32

There ya go! cwydro Nov 2017 #35

Lol njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #39

Denzils reply to you explains that. cwydro Nov 2017 #42

Nah,Denzil's reply does not explain why he did't say I never grabbed any women's ass njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #48

So now the goalposts have moved to "I've never grabbed any women's ass"? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #67

It's not utterly ridiculous njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #70

If that's all you've got, quit wasting my time, please. n/t Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #71

And sadly it's not illegal in certain states to go forcibly south of the waist... moriah Nov 2017 #77

How could assault be legal anywhere? (Actually, the touching is battery.) WinkyDink Nov 2017 #80

Not a sex crime. In AR, forced Frenching isn't one either, but... moriah Nov 2017 #84

Ad Hominem njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #50

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Yes, I'm seeing a lot of that among the Franken accusers on here. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #68

That sounds like a denial. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #36

No one has to deny mere accusations treestar Nov 2017 #122

Oops. What happened? Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #21

Inablility to deny the behavior? LakeArenal Nov 2017 #29

How can anyone deny an accusation when there is no accuser? He's asked for an investigation. pnwmom Nov 2017 #52

If someone accused you of robbing a bank njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #60

Bullshit. You should not. In the process you treestar Nov 2017 #124

Oh please, you want to believe it. I have no idea why, but there it is. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #132

We need not be egregious hypocrites. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #4

These "Scandals" sourced/fueled by Kremlin / alt-right american_ideals Nov 2017 #7

Welcome to DU,,,,,Comrade! Cryptoad Nov 2017 #41

DUers, this is important to know. +1. n/t Beartracks Nov 2017 #108

Politically correct intent run amok. Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #11

IKR? Is sexual assault such a "sacred" experience that Dems can't believe... Beartracks Nov 2017 #16

It is quite unbelievable. cwydro Nov 2017 #20

I was disappointed PatSeg Nov 2017 #23

It seems to keep being left out of the conversation that being lecherous may be a world wide wally Nov 2017 #25

Those women are not anonymous to the reporter, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #27

I don't agree fully with you. Blue_true Nov 2017 #43

Are you sure you are responding to the right person? Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #74

If Franken did the groping as alleged by the two most recent two, we gain nothing by allowing him to Blue_true Nov 2017 #85

The fact that you are a man may account for the difference in perspective. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #87

If the accusations are true, he grabbed three butts ten years ago. Demit Nov 2017 #44

I'm assuming that he continued the pattern. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #73

I agree with most of this, but I don't agree that we should take anonymous stories seriously pnwmom Nov 2017 #53

When women are equal to men, and can safely make reports of sexual abuse without fear Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #75

Roy Moore's accusers were willing to come forward, because it was worth it to them. pnwmom Nov 2017 #76

So because some accusers are willing to disclose their names, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #78

No, according to her allegations, she didn't "refuse" to do anything. That was the problem. pnwmom Nov 2017 #83

Consent that comes after repeated refusals to practice, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #88

She voluntarily signed up for a job that involved performing a skit that had been performed pnwmom Nov 2017 #97

You say we should take our lead from him because he doesn't dispute her emotional experience. Demit Nov 2017 #89

I said nothing about whether he could dispute her version - Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #91

He most certainly *did* dispute her version of what happened. Demit Nov 2017 #95

He acknowledged the photo Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #98

"his recollection of the rehearsal did not match hers" means he disputes her version of events. Demit Nov 2017 #102

That is unfair treestar Nov 2017 #125

Being believed had nothing to do with party treestar Nov 2017 #127

Couldn't agree more! Mountain Mule Nov 2017 #30

I can't believe people don't see how women who speak out are treated and then wonder why they want WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #37

Anonymity cuts two ways. hay rick Nov 2017 #40

How is it fair in any way if a person cannot confront his accuser? What BS. adigal Nov 2017 #58

Are treated? You mean not believed unconditionally? treestar Nov 2017 #126

Im still not convinced MFM008 Nov 2017 #38

I agree dflprincess Nov 2017 #105

Excellent point MFM008 Nov 2017 #117

+1000 nt lillypaddle Nov 2017 #46

No name? I give it no credence. Period. adigal Nov 2017 #54

Some here are trolls plane and simple, more than we would think. Exultant Democracy Nov 2017 #59

trolls and the hyer-idealistic-ignore-the-Republicans steve2470 Nov 2017 #96

the GOP is trying to reframe the debate or at least muddy the water. yurbud Nov 2017 #61

How can anonymous complaints be verified? jalan48 Nov 2017 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #81

Is Al Franken considered "public"? jalan48 Nov 2017 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author itsrobert Nov 2017 #69

Anonymous complaints are worthless Progressive dog Nov 2017 #72

Isn't almost EVERYONE on this forum posting anonymously? AncientGeezer Nov 2017 #82

Next time a poster on DU accuses a public figure of sexual assault, let us know what you think then. Demit Nov 2017 #93

Isn't that what's happening with Sen. Frankin? AncientGeezer Nov 2017 #94

No. DUers are posting opinions on accusations made from people in the news. Demit Nov 2017 #100

Really...Have you Not seen the posts claiming it's all a Russian hack job? AncientGeezer Nov 2017 #103

Cool story, Vlad. hay rick Nov 2017 #116

That's an interesting rebuttal AncientGeezer Nov 2017 #136

The Washington Post articles on Rep. Barton are citing an anonymous source madville Nov 2017 #86

In that case there is other proof. Proof I wish my eyes could unsee. LOL. Vinca Nov 2017 #90

Pictures are all over internet,Barton delisen Nov 2017 #104

She provided enough evidence which is impossible to deny, such as LisaL Nov 2017 #106

What is it evidence of is my question? madville Nov 2017 #109

An affair. LisaL Nov 2017 #111

Sure madville Nov 2017 #112

She taped the conversation with him where he himself says the two of them LisaL Nov 2017 #123

"Franken issues Thanksgiving Day apology, pledges to regain constituents' trust" brooklynite Nov 2017 #101

Good one! Be sure to tell him that one next time he calls you. n/t kcr Nov 2017 #110

In my selection of candidates to support, Im cold-blooded... brooklynite Nov 2017 #113

If we cannot rise above hypocritical hyper-partisanship Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #128

The Dems calling for the resignation of Franken and Conyers before an Ethics Investigation TheDebbieDee Nov 2017 #107

Truth Madam Mossfern Nov 2017 #115

Democrats don't bring knives to gunfights any more. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #134

And the 'he stared at my chest...sounds like junior high. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #129

Let them come forward in a court of law and swear u dear oath that it's so Thekaspervote Nov 2017 #135