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louis c

(8,652 posts) Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:31 AM Dec 2017

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To all the young people who voted 3rd party or sat out the GE... [View all]

Last edited Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:20 AM - Edit history (2)

...here are your consequences. You see, I worked my ass off for Hillary and ran into dozens of young voters who said "what's the difference?" They stayed home, blanked the election, wrote in Sanders or voted for the creep, Jill Stein.

This tax plan is bad, but I'm 65 years old. I have no student loans, I have my Social Security and union retirement plan, as well as a hefty 401k.

But I would surely sacrifice any marginal personal gain for America's future. Things were fine with me as they were. In fact, I would pay more taxes for universal health care and free college tuition (I don't need it for myself and I have no children). We now have a tax plan that taxes scholarship's as income and prevents student loan interest to be deducted.

The people who are getting fucked didn't see the difference in 2016.

They'll see the difference now. I don't mind fighting the assholes who are trying to fuck you, but I am getting sick and tired of trying to battle for other people who work against their own best interest.

At some point, people like me are off the stage, and you're on your own. You better figure out.

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To all the young people who voted 3rd party or sat out the GE... [View all] louis c Dec 2017 OP

I hate the "blame Baby Boomer" stuff you see whenever the Republicans do something bad. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #1

I also Hate Blaming a Generation Muneravenmn Dec 2017 #42

You can't even get them to stop buying stuff for one Christmas season. They're punched! sadiegirl Dec 2017 #52

Could you please explain the term "punched" in your subject line? susanna Dec 2017 #108

I blame anyone Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #77

The ones who sat out... chwaliszewski Dec 2017 #107

+1 PDittie Dec 2017 #115

Oh, I agree about going forward. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #128

+1 snowy owl Dec 2017 #152

This is not about blame, this is about intellgence louis c Dec 2017 #154

A quarrelsome man has no good neighbours -Benjamin Franklin vkkv Dec 2017 #156

I don't want morons for neighbors louis c Dec 2017 #158

You're either for us or against us. Got it. chwaliszewski Dec 2017 #162

Anyone who today, doesn't get it on their own, never will louis c Dec 2017 #163

The majority of Baby Boomer aged voters voted for Trump. Mariana Dec 2017 #89

They can't change things if they don't vote. They allowed Kahuna7 Dec 2017 #106

They allowed? Mariana Dec 2017 #134

Spare me the drama. Young Democrats are notorious for sitting out.. Kahuna7 Dec 2017 #147

Like Susan Sarandon says MFM008 Dec 2017 #2

Sarandon ruined the show Ray Donavan for me. Wish she would go away Pepsidog Dec 2017 #25

Fortunately, she wasn't in too many scenes DavidDvorkin Dec 2017 #41

I didnt know that there was discussion over her appearance in the show. Pepsidog Dec 2017 #83

I've never liked her as an actress DavidDvorkin Dec 2017 #90

I think you mean Ray Donovan louis c Dec 2017 #49

Yes Ray Donavan. Spell check pain in the .... Pepsidog Dec 2017 #82

I doubt young people listened to Susan Sarandon when it comes to voting crazycatlady Dec 2017 #65

I'm curious if I'm ever going to see a thread/post on here... vi5 Dec 2017 #3

You mean Republicans? ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #6

But my point is.... vi5 Dec 2017 #26

Because they are supposed to be the good guys ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #27

We've had non-voters show up xmas74 Dec 2017 #140

Those are the people I want to reach louis c Dec 2017 #165

They are out there. xmas74 Dec 2017 #168

Not just Republicans, but indies who lean right, indies who lean left but voted for Trump in 2016 aikoaiko Dec 2017 #142

+1,000. HughBeaumont Dec 2017 #8

I'll never understand the 30% of the Hispanice vote for trump...very puzzling to me, as for the... brush Dec 2017 #12

or the 13% of Black men who voted for Trump? whathehell Dec 2017 #29

You probably need to dissect that. If 13% of black men voted for trump, that means 87%... brush Dec 2017 #37

No, actually, it doesn't. whathehell Dec 2017 #38

We're talking about people who voted, right? brush Dec 2017 #39

Well, yes, that's true.. whathehell Dec 2017 #50

Yeah, that was a disappointment. I have to think there's a lot of voter remorse in that... brush Dec 2017 #87

Thr election was EXTREMELY odd...Many things just don't whathehell Dec 2017 #92

I didn't see that report but I sure hope Muellar gets to the bottom of the whole thing. brush Dec 2017 #95

Yes, absolutely whathehell Dec 2017 #99

Thank you. I'll look for it. brush Dec 2017 #100

No problem. n/t. whathehell Dec 2017 #113

Well, now African American voters know the answer to Trump's question LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2017 #131

We never fell for trump's BS. brush Dec 2017 #139

Majority of minorities dont defend those that voted trump. The way white people defend the majority JI7 Dec 2017 #56

I'm not sure what your first sentence is trying to say.. whathehell Dec 2017 #57

Why the need to defend white trump supporters ? Black people don't defend Cornel West JI7 Dec 2017 #59

Where do I "defend white Trump supporters"? whathehell Dec 2017 #60

Lol JI7 Dec 2017 #61

Lol...You can't show it.. whathehell Dec 2017 #63

Your constant complaints and needing to mention college educated white women JI7 Dec 2017 #64

Lol...Um, no whathehell Dec 2017 #68

Fact is majority of non college ed black women voted Clinton JI7 Dec 2017 #70

I know that...I have never never denied it. whathehell Dec 2017 #71

Those are Republicans, and to hell with them. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #13

And those others are independents... vi5 Dec 2017 #24

So it's the Women and the Mexicans and the Jews. Iggo Dec 2017 #18

No, my point is.... vi5 Dec 2017 #23

There's PLENTY of blame to go around... ok great, but maybe it's time we moved the fuck on! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #28

I would love to move along also. But, it seems this group is ramping up to do the same in 2020. MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #33

I agree. vsrazdem Dec 2017 #85

And that is my point! vi5 Dec 2017 #125

Point well taken... meanwhile, the most onerous tax bill in history is InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #132

Because Susan Sarandon gets public attention to spew her crap even now JI7 Dec 2017 #54

No. It's based on calling out the liars who wanted to help trump win JI7 Dec 2017 #58

I'm just sick of people defending a majority of the majority... Iggo Dec 2017 #143

Not sure what that means.... vi5 Dec 2017 #157

+1 progressoid Dec 2017 #43

Black people DO go after Cornel West Nina Turner. And huge difference is the majority of those group JI7 Dec 2017 #53

One of the biggest lies Trump's camp told minorities was only undocumented immigrants would get it IronLionZion Dec 2017 #62

OMG! Some common sense. chwaliszewski Dec 2017 #109

+1 PDittie Dec 2017 #116

A for effort. I'm glad some here are still trying. Thank you Arazi Dec 2017 #122

I'm in your situation. I'll manage. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #4

Well said louis. The idiocy of the falsehood, "there is no difference between Democrats and still_one Dec 2017 #5

I agree with what you say. lpbk2713 Dec 2017 #7

THIS. This has been their objective for DECADES. This is what they mean by "free stuff." calimary Dec 2017 #45

Lately? mdbl Dec 2017 #78

Every damn day I say this to centrists who want the left to appease toward some right wing "normal." ancianita Dec 2017 #9

Wow, that's one powerful poster! marybourg Dec 2017 #16

It's why no Dems can put down the FDR wing as divisive, because it's really the old base -- not ancianita Dec 2017 #22

Thank you for saying this. warmfeet Dec 2017 #88

I'm more angry at the 53% of white women that voted for Trump TheRealistRealist Dec 2017 #10

Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking?! Hard to believe!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #40

Makes me sick to my stomach having tuRd in the WH, f*cking us all at every turn. ffr Dec 2017 #11

Sadly, it wasn't just young people PatSeg Dec 2017 #14

I agreee, but we older foks aren't getting fucked as much louis c Dec 2017 #46

With the direction we appear to be headed, PatSeg Dec 2017 #81

but I listened to people who knew more than I did louis c Dec 2017 #86

I listened to people who knew PatSeg Dec 2017 #93

Stop the hate Sienna86 Dec 2017 #15

That's always the Democrat, whoever that nominee is louis c Dec 2017 #17

Nobody is perfect. LisaL Dec 2017 #44

Really. They always seem for forget which age groups Mariana Dec 2017 #48

We did have a candidate like that. It was Hillary Clinton. . Lil Missy Dec 2017 #110

Divide and Conquer. Iggo Dec 2017 #19

divide and conquer indeed Locrian Dec 2017 #76

Amen. First, unity in the WIN. Unity is not uniformity. We can sort the differences once we win. ancianita Dec 2017 #111

you still don't get it louis c Dec 2017 #159

Yup eom Arazi Dec 2017 #123

good to point out the student loan difference-so many are BURDENED with that lifelong debt. Sunlei Dec 2017 #20

Ditto. I will manage. Justice Dec 2017 #21

+++ heaven05 Dec 2017 #30

I am similar to you. Blue_true Dec 2017 #31

and this is just the start . . . debt and budget deficits will soar . . . entitlements will be the DrDan Dec 2017 #32

Repugs treat the federal government like a credit card they never intend to pay back mdbl Dec 2017 #80

Well, the young people I zentrum Dec 2017 #34

They own what comes, along with the MAGgots. They're in partnership. oasis Dec 2017 #35

My 32 yr old niece that didn't vote is now paying attention LittleGirl Dec 2017 #36

From Mister Rogers Neighborhood's "Conflict" episode series. moriah Dec 2017 #47

K&R betsuni Dec 2017 #51

Very well said. And sadly, all too true. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #55

Those whp didnt see the difference are more than the young one benld74 Dec 2017 #66

but it's the 18 to 35 YO that are really on the hook (NT) louis c Dec 2017 #74

I tell anyone who doesn't follow politics and doesn't vote not fooled Dec 2017 #67

This is everything. EffieBlack Dec 2017 #69

Real Progressives should.... SeloverB Dec 2017 #72

Our system doesn't work that way louis c Dec 2017 #73

Where do you suppose the two party system came from ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #75

It is that sort of thinking that led to our defeat in 16. You will never end the two party system... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #119

Ditto here. We have left the stage. leftofcool Dec 2017 #79

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #84

We have an election coming up in 2018. Another in 2020. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #91

That's exactly what this post does. It's called "tough love" louis c Dec 2017 #96

Follow your conscience. If your conscience allows you to work for the candidate Sophia4 Dec 2017 #97

Again, I don't give a fuck louis c Dec 2017 #98

If one's conscience doesn't allow one to work for Hillary, maybe one's conscience is the problem. BzaDem Dec 2017 #114

On this beautiful Sunday Morning, I say Amen to that louis c Dec 2017 #118

Yes there was a difference .... Shoonra Dec 2017 #94

Oh, I think they will learn from this. I'm confident we'll get the votes out in 2018 and 2020. KPN Dec 2017 #101

That Social Security is next on the chopping block. C Moon Dec 2017 #102

True dat. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2017 #136

K&R for visibility. lunamagica Dec 2017 #103

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Non sequitur. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #144

They won't see shit now. joshcryer Dec 2017 #105

Can we quit with these generalization bashing what about the people JonLP24 Dec 2017 #112

The object of this post is to point out consequences for actions louis c Dec 2017 #124

I blame old white people, personally Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #117

Trump did what the GOP always does in that respect... but he won the rustbelt and that gave him his Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #120

I accept your blame, being an old white guy. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2017 #121

Shouldn't that say "I blame old white people, personally" who voted for tRump? Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #127

Most of them did (63% of white men 55 and older, 55% of white women 55 and older) Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #130

Your stats are correct. Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #135

K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2017 #126

How ageist and wrong headed. David__77 Dec 2017 #129

just another McCarthyite attack on the left. tomp Dec 2017 #133

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Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #138

If you stayed home and purposely chose not to xmas74 Dec 2017 #141

It must be so nice GaryCnf Dec 2017 #145

I'm worried about my own child. xmas74 Dec 2017 #146

Let's just get more people to vote for WHOEVER they want to! That is our right. vkkv Dec 2017 #148

if you vote green, like Nader and Stein... louis c Dec 2017 #149

But they aren't you and that is everyone right - Get it? vkkv Dec 2017 #150

I only want to be allied... louis c Dec 2017 #153

So you're bigoted against liberals who don't vote your way? Isn't that what you're admitting to? vkkv Dec 2017 #155

bigoted???? louis c Dec 2017 #160

Oh for Gawd's sake.. vkkv Dec 2017 #161

Get the point? louis c Dec 2017 #164

I think you are mistaken. vkkv Dec 2017 #166

I spend my Sundays on this forum louis c Dec 2017 #169

No one knows how they would have voted. Blaming isn't the answer. snowy owl Dec 2017 #151

I've done gotv at the local community college flamingdem Dec 2017 #167

Hillary won the youth vote in a landslide. DemocraticWing Dec 2017 #170

This OP is ablout young voters because... louis c Dec 2017 #171