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In reply to the discussion: New York attorney general seeks to dissolve NRA in suit [View all]BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)61. From what I saw somewhere this morning
their charitable arm is HQ'd in VA and the AG of D.C. is also working from their end as well. Plus you have this from the NYT piece that revealed some of the impetus behind the cases (originally published last December and updated as recently as today) -
Inside Wayne LaPierres Battle for the N.R.A.
By Danny Hakim
Published Dec. 18, 2019
Updated Aug. 6, 2020, 11:58 a.m. ET
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And since April, the New York State attorney general, Letitia James, has been conducting a civil investigation of the N.R.A., which is chartered in New York. Now, veterans of the attorney generals office and some within the N.R.A.s inner circle believe James will weigh whether to seek a criminal referral related to LaPierres use of nonprofit funds for personal expenses.
/snip
I asked LaPierre if he worried about his own criminal exposure. I actually dont, he said, citing the safe-harbor provision. He called Brewers work the largest forensic audit thats ever been done on the association to see if there was anything we needed to self-correct. Tax experts I spoke with, however, noted that such provisions did not generally apply to personal expenses, and in any case would need to have been addressed before James opened the inquiry. The investigation is being led by the charities bureau of the attorney generals office, which oversees all nonprofits. Such investigations are typically civil procedures, but the office can refer criminal findings to another agency, or be granted criminal jurisdiction by the governor.
If the expenses incurred by Mr. LaPierre were not legitimate business expenses of the N.R.A., and if he conspired with others within or outside the N.R.A. to incur those expenses in a way that would conceal them, then criminal charges could not only be brought against Mr. LaPierre, but also the others who were involved in the scheme, said Sean Delany, a former chief of the charities bureau. Daniel Kurtz, another former charities-bureau chief, said the N.R.A. would have to establish that such transactions were fair, reasonable and in the corporations best interest, adding, They can assert that, but its preposterous. Kurtz did see some hurdles for a criminal case, based on what was known, because LaPierre was not said to have diverted money directly into his own pocket. But the attorney general can go to court and seek to restructure an organizations board, oust its management, recoup misspent funds or even pressure it to dissolve.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/18/magazine/wayne-lapierre-nra-guns.html
By Danny Hakim
Published Dec. 18, 2019
Updated Aug. 6, 2020, 11:58 a.m. ET
/snip
And since April, the New York State attorney general, Letitia James, has been conducting a civil investigation of the N.R.A., which is chartered in New York. Now, veterans of the attorney generals office and some within the N.R.A.s inner circle believe James will weigh whether to seek a criminal referral related to LaPierres use of nonprofit funds for personal expenses.
/snip
I asked LaPierre if he worried about his own criminal exposure. I actually dont, he said, citing the safe-harbor provision. He called Brewers work the largest forensic audit thats ever been done on the association to see if there was anything we needed to self-correct. Tax experts I spoke with, however, noted that such provisions did not generally apply to personal expenses, and in any case would need to have been addressed before James opened the inquiry. The investigation is being led by the charities bureau of the attorney generals office, which oversees all nonprofits. Such investigations are typically civil procedures, but the office can refer criminal findings to another agency, or be granted criminal jurisdiction by the governor.
If the expenses incurred by Mr. LaPierre were not legitimate business expenses of the N.R.A., and if he conspired with others within or outside the N.R.A. to incur those expenses in a way that would conceal them, then criminal charges could not only be brought against Mr. LaPierre, but also the others who were involved in the scheme, said Sean Delany, a former chief of the charities bureau. Daniel Kurtz, another former charities-bureau chief, said the N.R.A. would have to establish that such transactions were fair, reasonable and in the corporations best interest, adding, They can assert that, but its preposterous. Kurtz did see some hurdles for a criminal case, based on what was known, because LaPierre was not said to have diverted money directly into his own pocket. But the attorney general can go to court and seek to restructure an organizations board, oust its management, recoup misspent funds or even pressure it to dissolve.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/18/magazine/wayne-lapierre-nra-guns.html
I.e., it's probably pretty obvious that LaPierre engaged in criminal activities but it would behoove to get all of the records over the long time that he has been in place, so that they can prove it (for criminal - "beyond the shadow of a doubt" vs "preponderance of the evidence" for civil), so he and the rest of them can be nailed hook, line, and sinker.
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Personally, i kinda like having the corrupt NRA at the forefront of the gun rights movement.
Calista241
Aug 2020
#1
Dissolved or not, her opening statement..no one is above the law. That is not a political argument
Thekaspervote
Aug 2020
#64
Lobbying costs money, however. And that is something the NRA is going to be divested of.
BComplex
Aug 2020
#37
Plus it should mean less money they have to spend on R Senators & Representatives
KS Toronado
Aug 2020
#44
I was hoping her announcement would involve some trump criminal activity, but this is good too.
George II
Aug 2020
#4
After 3 years of everyone under the sun trying with no resolution except more court filings
BumRushDaShow
Aug 2020
#25
We are innocent! We did not spend members' dollars on ourselves- only the rubles.
Marcuse
Aug 2020
#22
I've got some old NRA mags from 1962/63 and their action section shows them fighting
yaesu
Aug 2020
#27
This is a warning shot across the bow, for the turd. Letitia is letting him know she doesn't play
not_the_one
Aug 2020
#28
Just imagine getting (rightly) called out on your dishonesty and ethics by Ollie North!
keithbvadu2
Aug 2020
#30
Sweet! Let's get more states on this, like Virginia where they are headquartered
IronLionZion
Aug 2020
#31
In 2016 both Trump and many GOP Senators got a shit ton of money from Russia through the NRA
Botany
Aug 2020
#34
Karma!!!! Now they have to use money they don't have to pay for lawyers they can't afford.
ResistantAmerican17
Aug 2020
#36
Of course, he's a psychopathic conartist, he would screw and kill as many people as possible
DSandra
Aug 2020
#41
However, in the back of my mind I keep thinking this could be what's needed to rile up tRump's base
groundloop
Aug 2020
#49
I wonder how much $$$ of our tax dollars went to NRA friendly gun companies thru PPP?
FailureToCommunicate
Aug 2020
#52
For sure, alot of discovery to be done, and then criminal indictments of individuals will follow.
onetexan
Aug 2020
#73
SOOOO glad that she was elected and not Zephyr Teachout a couple of years ago!
George II
Aug 2020
#62