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Igel

(35,424 posts)
28. That's a convenient strawman.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jun 2014

However, it got damp at some point and is pretty much decomposed.

ID isn't a big threat. In most places where it's mentioned, either the teacher plays it up himself or it gets scant mention. Texas has typical "anti-evolutionary" language in its standards, and really, ID might get mentioned at some point, then it's off to point mutations and homologies. Why?

Because to teach everything required would take a year, not 9 months with weeks off for Xmas, T-day, spring break.

To teach everything at the cognitive level specified isn't going to happen.

The result is that CC = what's on the test. If it's not on the test, it's not going to get taught. Unless all the states give the same test--not a test aligned with a certain part of the standards--there is no CC except on paper.

All that matters is the test. All hail the test.

Jindal's ditching CC doesn't matter. They'll still have a test.

In all fairness, I'm on a team that was under the gun. The Test was approaching for our topic under the new, beefed up guidelines. We worked our butts off. Got so-so results, but learned a lot about what didn't work and some things about what did work. Then The Test was vanquished, and the next year half the teachers on the team ditched 1/3 of the fall content, skipped a few units in the spring, and dropped out harder content or stuff they personally had trouble with. Some teachers refused to fail anybody. "Hey, it makes my number look good. You fail 20 kids if you want, but you'll be in trouble and told to observe me next year to get your fail rate down." Another said he was tired of fighting and was saving for his retirement--keep them busy, entertained, and pass them to pay off the new car.

I understand why some teachers need The Test. No test, no motivation. All that matters is the grade and passing the evaluation. (Crap, that sounds like my low-performing students. All that matters is passing the test, not the "job" of learning.)

Booby did that?! KamaAina Jun 2014 #1
yea so they can teach creationism leftyohiolib Jun 2014 #3
Touche. KamaAina Jun 2014 #4
that might be the price we have to pay in some states to pry Wall Street off our kids yurbud Jun 2014 #5
I would take Wall Street over anti gay bible thumpers. iandhr Jun 2014 #14
Why is it always a lesser of two evils with democrats? I'm so sick of that. I won't take either. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #18
If those were my only two choices, I'd move yurbud Jun 2014 #20
A deadly statement! JackRiddler Jun 2014 #57
So we either let republicans teach creationism or we let corporations test our schools into oblivion liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #6
I doubt it. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #29
The corporate dems have allowed repukes, even really vile ones like Piyush, to outflank them Doctor_J Jun 2014 #2
who's Piyush? yurbud Jun 2014 #7
That's Jindal's actual first name. n/t Psephos Jun 2014 #9
People from India who live in the US usually choose an American name as a nickname jmowreader Jun 2014 #35
not in my school kwassa Jun 2014 #45
Piyush Jindal. NOLALady Jun 2014 #12
Outflanked? fujiyama Jun 2014 #34
When are certain Democrats going to recognize that Republicans are using them as tools Android3.14 Jun 2014 #8
My autistic son who is in special education is being forced to keep up with Common Core liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #10
My complete sympathy Android3.14 Jun 2014 #13
Why is a national curriculum desireable? Psephos Jun 2014 #11
A lack of a national curriculum means Intelligent Design in the classroom Android3.14 Jun 2014 #15
No, it doesn't. Psephos Jun 2014 #16
I completely agree with you. Democrats use women's rights and gay rights to avoid economic issues. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #19
Let's go at this from a different direction jmowreader Jun 2014 #36
we can keep fighting to keep creationism out of the classroom without supporting Common Core. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #17
Why keep creationism out of the classroom? louielouie Jun 2014 #21
you want creationism in the classroom? Put it in an optional comparative religion class where liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #22
It seems like you have already changed your mind. louielouie Jun 2014 #25
Already changed my mind about what? I have advocated for an optional comparative religion class for liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #26
Earlier you said, "We can keep fighting to keep creationism out of the classroom...." louielouie Jun 2014 #27
Thank you for playing Android3.14 Jun 2014 #23
That's a convenient strawman. Igel Jun 2014 #28
True. Some teachers need the Test so they'll know what to teach. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #30
Some teachers cannot handle the content Android3.14 Jun 2014 #32
Wrong TeacherB87 Jun 2014 #24
By your logic, we should only attempt to do something if it will solve every aspect of a challenge Android3.14 Jun 2014 #31
Common Core is not designed to "meet a challenge." It is designed to make a profit for the company yurbud Jun 2014 #38
So what you are saying is... Android3.14 Jun 2014 #41
the company is dictating the standard. It's like a scalpel company dictating medical treatment yurbud Jun 2014 #47
No. Android3.14 Jun 2014 #48
"philanthropies" that attack pensions and collective bargaining for teachers, and for the benefit yurbud Jun 2014 #49
You make claims, but you don't provide proof Android3.14 Jun 2014 #50
Here's a couple to start yurbud Jun 2014 #51
Tsk tsk. Android3.14 Jun 2014 #52
condescension like your last line doesn't play here yurbud Jun 2014 #55
I needed to add this Android3.14 Jun 2014 #42
Have at it Louisiana! fujiyama Jun 2014 #33
Hammer,... Ferretherder Jun 2014 #37
this dislike it for the wrong reasons, but as long as it's another log on the fire... yurbud Jun 2014 #39
"Another log?" Try "lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas" as a more msanthrope Jun 2014 #40
"centrist" Democrats love bipartisanship when it serves their corporate masters yurbud Jun 2014 #43
Jindal is "little people?" nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #44
no he isn't, but the opposition to common core is coming from the bottom up yurbud Jun 2014 #46
No. Android3.14 Jun 2014 #53
Good one jamzrockz Jun 2014 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #54
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