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happyslug

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5. Here is the Opinion, it is a real mess
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:24 PM - Edit history (3)

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-1146_4g18.pdf

BEFORE YOU READ THE OPINION REMEMBER THE CLEAN AIR ACT RESTRICTS WHAT POLLUTERS THE EPA CAN REGULATE. That was the issue in front of the Supreme Court. The question was simply:

Are Green House Gases to be counted to determine if a polluter is under the regulatory power of the EPA?

Small polluters are NOT to be regulated by the EPA under the terms of the Clean Air Act, for example in 1976 when the Act was passed Senate Muskie said the act was NOT intended to regulate people's homes, but just major polluters.

This in this case the issue was did the EPA have the authority to add Green House Gases to the list of gases caused by pollution when it came to determining if the EPA had the authority to regulate a polluter of primarily Green House Gases?

SCALIA, J., announced the judgment of the Court and delivered an opinion, Parts I and II of which were for the Court. ROBERTS, C. J., and KENNEDY, J., joined that opinion in full; Please note Scalia makes two findings:

1. One that the Clean Air Act did NOT give the EPA the ability to regulate Green House gases in and by themselves, (This was Parts 1, II-1 and II-B-1 of the Clean air act, this was agreed with by Thomas and Alito, but rejected by Ginsberg, Breyer, Somtomayer and Kagan)

2. but the Clean Air Act did give the EPA to regulate Green Houses gases along with other pollinates the EPA was regulating (this was agreed to be Ginsberg, Breyer, Somtomayer and Kagan but rejected by Thomas and Alito).

Thus you had seven justices who said the EPA can regulate Green House Gases as part of the EPA's regulation of most pollution, but two that said the EPA could NOT regulate Green House gases at all.

Three Justices said the EPA could NOT regulate Green House Gases in and by themselves, but could regulate them with other pollutes (That was Scalia, Roberts and Kennedy).
conservatism get the red out Jun 2014 #1
True. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #28
It conserves the wealth of the wealthy FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #47
"a moral victory for industry" WTF!! CBGLuthier Jun 2014 #2
I was thinking the act same thing. I would call it an amoral victory. Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #10
That's a good name for it. Or an immoral victory. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #29
Yeah, I gagged on that oxymoron! freshwest Jun 2014 #32
Link to the actual decision. former9thward Jun 2014 #3
Thanks. Will take time elleng Jun 2014 #20
Is there no end to the corporate thuggery? blackspade Jun 2014 #4
Here is the Opinion, it is a real mess happyslug Jun 2014 #5
Triple split judgment. I am not sure the interpretation of the author is correct. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #11
After you made your comment, I finished reading the opinion. happyslug Jun 2014 #36
I think you have it right after your edit, it makes sense that the meat of the ruling is that Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #42
meanwhile... PatrynXX Jun 2014 #6
Its way past time to begin the impeachment iemitsu Jun 2014 #7
+100000000000000000000000 SoapBox Jun 2014 #18
This is NOT a constitutional issue, but a statutory issue, did Congress give this Power to the EPA happyslug Jun 2014 #35
I wonder what air they plan to breathe. LoisB Jun 2014 #8
Interesting how headlines can slant opinion one way or the other... OKNancy Jun 2014 #9
There you have it. How many comment based only on the headline without reading the story? 7962 Jun 2014 #13
YES! elleng Jun 2014 #16
Enjoy! And BTW, its cleaner now than 30,40 or more years ago! 7962 Jun 2014 #17
Indeed! elleng Jun 2014 #21
Except greenhouse gases - CO2 levels at 400 ppm - a record in humankind's existence progree Jun 2014 #22
I know its a bit nit-picking, but at least CO2 isnt pollution. 7962 Jun 2014 #31
"at least CO2 isnt pollution" - who says? progree Jun 2014 #34
Sorry, but I'm not giving China & India a pass just so they can "catch up" to western living 7962 Jun 2014 #43
Well, then maybe we should reduce our per-capita CO2 emssions to China & India's levels progree Jun 2014 #44
EXACTLY, OKNancy, elleng Jun 2014 #15
Save billions of $ and thousands of jobs, while killing ALL OF US! Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #12
Yup, "could cost billions of dollars" William Seger Jun 2014 #25
Different headline/same story: Justices, With Limits, Let E.P.A. Curb Power-Plant Gases. elleng Jun 2014 #14
Guys. Read the opinion. BAD headline. The EPA won big. broadcaster75201 Jun 2014 #19
In what alternate reality did the EPA "win big"??? blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #23
Ummm, the Supreme Court confirmed the EPA has the power to regulate GH gas emissions pediatricmedic Jun 2014 #26
Reading the opinion, I agree with you.... happyslug Jun 2014 #37
Even in the case of Thomas and Alito... mostlyconfused Jun 2014 #45
Please note no one is bringing up any constitutional issues, just what did Congress passed. happyslug Jun 2014 #46
So many fell for the slanted headline, the EPA won nearly everything it wanted pediatricmedic Jun 2014 #24
True, I still can't wrap around moral and polluting industry used in the same sentence. freshwest Jun 2014 #33
Does anyone actually READ the links anymore? Raine1967 Jun 2014 #27
I go straight to the actual Supreme Court Opinion and see what the Court actually wrote. happyslug Jun 2014 #40
I did, and I thank you. eom. Raine1967 Jun 2014 #41
From what I read it looks pretty good. They already answered the question about the NEW EPA rules. dballance Jun 2014 #30
Disturbing .. Money trumps Clean Air. Hmm. Has a SCOTUS judge ever been impeached? YOHABLO Jun 2014 #38
Not since the early 1800s, and he was aquited by the Senate. happyslug Jun 2014 #39
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