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freshwest

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27. AFAIK, no. When I was a steward and my union went on strike, those who scabbed cheerfully walked by
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:24 PM - Edit history (1)

the picket line (we didn't raise hell with them, but we knew who they were) and when we all came back to work, saving their benefits and pay, they ran to us when management began to treat them the same as union members.

They'd enjoyed being treated like managers and given perks while we were on strike, but when we came back, the honeymoon was over.

They didn't pay dues (this was a RTW state, so being in the union was optional) but we had to represent them anyway. We just weren't enthused about it, but it really was about maintaining good working conditions for all of us, not them. So we had to do so, and they were more than aware they were getting free ride off the dues paying union members but still resented us.

I'm not sure what the ruling really said. I've seen the home health care issue in the state I live in now, which is not a RTW state. SEIU sought to organize the caregivers in private homes, but not necessarily the kind of case this was, into a union to get wages and benefits that many do not get, resulting in poor care in some cases.

It was fought tooth and nail by some families. They felt it was an intrusion on their family, and that they didn't want to have to accept who the union sent out, follow discrimination laws, etc. They had good and bad points, and only a few places were unionized, AFAIK.

There is a difference with Medicaid laws that may apply to this, but I didn't read the case, have only seen it through the union lens, but there is another view that may have applied here. I think it is about a mother caring for her child at homea and being paid. Feel free to correct me on this.

Being paid to take care of a family member is a thing I envied friends in the UK for getting under the Thatcher changes to care, so a child could stay at home with a parent and not have to be put into state care in order to access care. Those I knew were able to keep from being in poverty, worn out, worried about keeping their home and paying for health care.

One person I knew well said his position was that of a 'Carer' and the UK paid him to take care of his own son, his son's health needs and supplies, prescriptions, ambulance rides and care when his son had seizures and all of that. He was given control over where his son was cared for so he could take 2 weeks off a year as a vacation, and had respite care every month of his choosing. Because it is a 24 hour a day job.

In the USA, the parents of disabled children have been essentially been on their own, and caretakers break down from the hours and financial strain. If one loses one's job and or insurance that cares for the child and parent, or other social and economic factors come into play, the only way for the child to get health care for a long time in some states was to put the child in state care. The help of a paid home health care assistant or a parent being able to qualify for rigid Medicaid standards was dependent on what rules by the state lived in.

Which meant children with great needs had to be put in state care, breaking up the family, and often leading to the deterioration of the child and the loss of all the other things that one has from family and their community.

When a person becomes by contract a Medicaid service provider, all the money must be for direct care of the disabled person. It is a big deal for some parents to get this payment, but it is still dependent on the whims of state legislatures.

The way I read this case, an impoverished parent was being paid for direct care. It was at a minimum level and she felt she could not afford to pay union dues out of the meager wages or stipend paid as if she was a worker in the regular labor market. But the child could not live without her care.

I am unfamiliar with that kind of arrangement. It may have been one where she was paying for help out of the Medicaid money, and felt she was unable to pay the union wages, benefits and dues out of the amount she was given by her state's Medicaid program.

The rigid eligibility rules create a lot of distress on those already hurting. I can't tell exactly what went on here and am ready to be informed. I support union workers doing this because good working conditions and wages lead to keeping better workers which gives stability in taking care of vulnerable people, in theory.

That's all I can offer here.

If you stupid fucking americans dont god damn wake up soon some of us will stop trying randys1 Jun 2014 #1
Are you American?...If so, you need to speak for (and insult) yourself whathehell Jun 2014 #6
Yes I am American and include myself, I thought that was obvious, if not that is what randys1 Jun 2014 #7
It's not obvious when your form of address is "you Americans" whathehell Jun 2014 #11
Yeah, that is a better way to say it...by the way, didnt Gore have options even after the SC randys1 Jun 2014 #17
He did, chose not to. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2014 #45
Okay, well thanks whathehell Jun 2014 #60
You need to take some yoga joeglow3 Jun 2014 #19
already had two heart attacks, my world includes a rightwing business partner randys1 Jun 2014 #21
I love your passion though! joeglow3 Jun 2014 #58
I'm not insulted by your use of ballyhoo Jun 2014 #24
I totally understand your feelings, I wish California could become an independent country, myself randys1 Jun 2014 #28
I think it will be one day, along with several other ballyhoo Jun 2014 #30
If we break up, the rightwing states will suffer tremendously and ultimately lash out with war randys1 Jun 2014 #32
They are ideologues. They ballyhoo Jun 2014 #37
You know what I have noticed about recent SC rulings randys1 Jun 2014 #39
Even though I am the opposite of you ballyhoo Jun 2014 #42
MG? randys1 Jun 2014 #44
Myasthenia gravis. No. Physicians ballyhoo Jun 2014 #49
I disagree. They possess more land and resources. We have people, they have what we need. freshwest Jun 2014 #68
A comment 90-percent Jun 2014 #33
Sorry. My first obligation is to ballyhoo Jun 2014 #40
Can you relate to me the Bible story of how one-fourth of the World's population will be destroyed DhhD Jun 2014 #50
I think Oligarchs are the modern equivalent of ballyhoo Jun 2014 #51
Agreed. The ultimate goal of the Oligarchs is to reduce the world population, and to DhhD Jun 2014 #43
Does this mean that Unions can reject representing those who don't pay? woodsprite Jun 2014 #2
Not in this case FBaggins Jun 2014 #3
they dont get much over minimum, anyway, but mopinko Jun 2014 #23
AFAIK, no. When I was a steward and my union went on strike, those who scabbed cheerfully walked by freshwest Jun 2014 #27
The union never represented the plaintiff, so that's not really an issue here. hugo_from_TN Jul 2014 #71
How about if you don't pay dues to a union, you don't benefit when they negotiate? alarimer Jun 2014 #4
Because right to work has nothing to do with "giving workers a choice" it's all about MillennialDem Jun 2014 #9
I wonder what it would take to get through to the free-riders? alarimer Jun 2014 #63
My Union secondvariety Jun 2014 #65
+1 exactly! lunasun Jun 2014 #67
The plaintiff in the case does not benefit from any union negotiations or contracts. hugo_from_TN Jul 2014 #70
What is Ralph Nader thinking today? Democat Jun 2014 #5
As long as it doesn't have consequences for him, why the hell should he care davidpdx Jun 2014 #13
He's too busy counting his money to think about his legacy. nt onehandle Jun 2014 #15
Nader? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #26
But it's so much more fulfilling to run around pointing fingers at everyone instead of doing jtuck004 Jun 2014 #47
Haha, true. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #59
I worked in an organization packman Jun 2014 #8
A guy at my job in WI had a good idea would be to change the union to a corporation then we'd have MillennialDem Jun 2014 #10
By any other name deancr Jun 2014 #22
My union is called California Teachers roody Jun 2014 #69
Yeah, no surprise there. malthaussen Jun 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Jun 2014 #14
Fortunately, this doesn't have any effect on our Dept. IronGate Jun 2014 #16
do you understand why scotus is more important than any issue you might have leftyohiolib Jun 2014 #18
Duty of Fair Representation deancr Jun 2014 #20
One thing deancr Jun 2014 #25
It could be worse deancr Jun 2014 #29
Applicable to adjunct professors? Downwinder Jun 2014 #31
The way I read it, yes. AngryAmish Jun 2014 #66
Corporations are persons, unions are not persons, humans are not persons. valerief Jun 2014 #34
"humans are not persons" NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #36
Except that men are union members, too, which excludes them from personage. nt valerief Jun 2014 #38
I said it the other day and I'm saying it again. Chan790 Jun 2014 #35
This is why the next presidential election is so important. Ash_F Jun 2014 #41
If they don't want to pay an agency fee. RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #46
never fully agreed with the I'm not a member but forced to pay rule PatrynXX Jun 2014 #48
I was part-time and paid dues CountAllVotes Jun 2014 #52
But you would still benefit from the the higher pay that the unions negotiate Ash_F Jun 2014 #53
+1,000 CountAllVotes Jun 2014 #54
So you are ok with a worker....... Capt.Rocky300 Jun 2014 #55
I won't lie, when I read the actual facts of the case, I felt for the plaintiff who sued the state. BlueEye Jun 2014 #56
Yeah, it looks like the court took this edge case and went wild. Ash_F Jun 2014 #57
Actually the opinion only applies to these home health care workers AngryAmish Jun 2014 #61
I'll hold off on declaring victory Ash_F Jun 2014 #62
You are right. AngryAmish Jun 2014 #64
Now we just need christx30 Jul 2014 #72
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