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fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
52. How effective would a ground offensive really be?
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 11:04 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Fri Jul 18, 2014, 01:00 AM - Edit history (1)

I'm really wondering here. Gaza is VERY densely populated and there isn't much space. Now, I hope for the sake of ending this current bout of bloodletting and utter madness, the IDF finds and destroys all rockets. But that's wishful thinking because A, the rockets will still come in from Iran after their ground offensive ends, B - another incursion by Israel and the killing of more Palestinian civilians isn't going to bring about any lasting peace, and C - there is so much distrust and neither Hamas or Netanyahu are willing to negotiate in good faith. I honestly don't even know what Israel hopes to accomplish with this.

All of this "retaliation" also ignores the very real problem that Israel isn't confronting its long term demographics disadvantage and the simple fact that its legitimacy is at stake, even in many Americans' eyes. Netanyahu is not only unwilling to concede any land in the West Bank, he's actively building MORE settlements, blatantly flouting their only real ally. What a pompous, self righteous, cynical ass hole. But he's a brilliant politician. Because the situation is the following: Hamas constantly fires a bunch of really inaccurate rockets into Israeli territory, terrorizing Israeli civilians, but in reality killing very, very few and causing some property damage. Now, this doesn't justify it of course... But then Israel gets incredibly pissed off and lashes out killing over 300 civilians. There isn't much parity here. We're not talking about targeted killings of just the leaders of these organizations. We're talking about women and children, stuck in a tiny sliver of land. With the help of Hamas, a barbaric and pathetic organization, Netanyahu has been able to freak the public out into launching yet another pointless ground offensive.

This is just a merry go round of stupid, wanton, destruction.

The end is simple: stop firing rockets into Israel every day. Done. 7962 Jul 2014 #1
Maybe Israel should start treating the Palestinians as real people. Done. Hugabear Jul 2014 #2
They would treat them better if they werent calling for their extinction. 7962 Jul 2014 #3
More apologia for the mass murder being visited upon the Palestinians. Sickening. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #5
More apologia the the attempted murder of mass civilians by Hamas backwoodsbob Jul 2014 #6
"Mass murder". Ha. Here's your mass murderers...... 7962 Jul 2014 #8
What the hell is the Islamic Resistance Movement? Sam1 Jul 2014 #17
Umm....Thats the official name of Hamas. 7962 Jul 2014 #18
Thanks for the info. If Hamas had a modern Army Sam1 Jul 2014 #47
I'd discuss it with you, but I've already had one post blocked!! 7962 Jul 2014 #49
I had one blocked too. Mine was a little over the top. Sam1 Jul 2014 #50
Let's not pretend Palestine is the only victim here obama2terms Jul 2014 #25
So what was not true about the post? IronGate Jul 2014 #27
"the mass murder being visited upon the Palestinians" EX500rider Jul 2014 #33
"only 80" is easy to say when it's not your family. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #34
My point still stand that in over 1,000 strikes that is incredibly light casualties. EX500rider Jul 2014 #35
And my point still stands. n/t Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #36
"only 80-some casualties" geek tragedy Jul 2014 #42
I'd say no other military in the world could do as well.. EX500rider Jul 2014 #43
Israel massacred 17 civilians attempting geek tragedy Jul 2014 #45
The best way to teach Arabs to control their own kind, is to kill their police. Ash_F Jul 2014 #46
The end is simple: Allow the Palestinians their own state. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #4
They had their chance several times. They always refuse to allow Israel's right to exist. 7962 Jul 2014 #7
Everything you wrote is a lie cpwm17 Jul 2014 #9
Lie? Who are you, Rep. Joe Wilson? Or are you 12? Here are a few facts for you 7962 Jul 2014 #13
Arafat formally recognized Israel's "right to exist" in 1993 azurnoir Jul 2014 #10
If the PLO were still in charge, it might mean something. But Hamas is in charge. They refuse. nt 7962 Jul 2014 #11
are you saying that the Democatic POTUS is supporting Hamas? azurnoir Jul 2014 #12
The Palestinians vote for who they vote for. Is Hamas their official government? 7962 Jul 2014 #14
you just switched up it seems and BTW the elected head of the PLO is Mahmoud Abbas azurnoir Jul 2014 #15
I understand that, but doesnt Hamas actually RUN the govt? 7962 Jul 2014 #16
you keep switching up be specific please azurnoir Jul 2014 #21
Hamas isn't in charge of the West Bank. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #20
They ARE in charge in Gaza, and thats where the rockets are coming from. 7962 Jul 2014 #23
Then they don't need to be occupying sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #31
The Palestinians don't need a homeland. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #19
and exactly where is that be specific please n/t azurnoir Jul 2014 #22
I'm imagine he's referring to Israel. 7962 Jul 2014 #24
I'm all for a two state solution obama2terms Jul 2014 #26
Everywhere that was not part sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #29
sure some that is within the Green Line these days though azurnoir Jul 2014 #30
Good question. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #32
I have full support of the Israelis yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #28
You remind of the people who decried the "Black violence" of the civil rights movement. /nt Ash_F Jul 2014 #37
Except that the comparison is absolute rubbish. Educate yourself, please. nt 7962 Jul 2014 #38
Based on the slam dunk competition that has become everyone's responses to you.. Ash_F Jul 2014 #39
HA! I've posted facts. Most responses have been typical hand-wringing nonsense. Like yours. 7962 Jul 2014 #40
Indeed you are the only thing that keeps DU sane. Ash_F Jul 2014 #41
Well doggone it, thank YOU too! 7962 Jul 2014 #44
These threads always make me sick Marrah_G Jul 2014 #48
Egypt must be supporting the transport of the launchers and the tunnel system, Sunlei Jul 2014 #51
How effective would a ground offensive really be? fujiyama Jul 2014 #52
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