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In reply to the discussion: Yes, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and Hillary represents the very worst of the party/SALON [View all]Orrex
(63,247 posts)133. You explicitly presented your "projection" as fact
Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:32 AM - Edit history (1)
lol, how is it "intellectually dishonest" of me? It is a projection, and a possibility I think is valid based on actual polling data.
In reply #93 you referred to the "facts" showing that Sanders would win as an Independent because "out-polls every other candidate. And has less disapproval ratings," yet you have no relevant data to support that claim about Sanders (I). Instead, you have polling data for Sanders (D), who wouldn't be the candidate in your hypothetical projection. Show me poll data for a three-way race between Clinton (D), Sanders (I) and GOP asshole-to-be-named-later (R), and we'll talk.
Maybe it wasn't intellectual dishonesty. Maybe it was simple carelessness or innocent ignorance about how polling data work. Take your pick.
yes shocker, Sanders used the legal avenues available to him to get maximum exposure.
Let's be honest here: if Clinton had done exactly the same thing, then Sanders' supporters would be calling her out for her calculated and cynical tactic. But Sanders gets a pass because... Why, exactly?
He's a politician. That's what they do. I think he deserves to run as a Democrat more than Lieberman, don't you?
"Deserves?" What does "deserves" have to do with it? Is he a Democrat or is he not? Sanders' supporters around here explicitly (I can post links, if you don't believe me) declare themselves to be the real, true Democrats, yet Sanders runs as an Independent in Vermont. Why? If he's a Democrat, why not be honest about it? Why has he registered as an Independent in Vermont for 2017?
As I noted, he hasn't campaigned for other Democrats, and there's no indication that his presence on the ticket will boost other Democrats in November. Show me evidence to the contrary, if you can.
Why should party affiliation determine if one agrees with his policies?
Well that's not the real question, is it? His party affiliation should indeed be irrelevant to the correctness of his policies, but it's naive to imagine that that's what the election is about or how the process works.
Does Sanders have sufficient resources to take on Clinton and the GOP candidate? Because the Democratic establishment that his supporters so clearly despise certainly isn't going to help him. Forgive me, but there's no way that Sanders (I) can capture enough of the electorate to win. He'll take most of the Independents, some of the Democrats, and a few Republican voters. That would leave the GOP contender with a clear and strong advantage over Clinton and Sanders, and then we're all but guaranteed to have a Republican Whitehouse.
If you're writing electoral fan fiction, then that's fine. But when you claim that your imagined outcome is "supported by facts," you need to support it with facts.
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Yes, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and Hillary represents the very worst of the party/SALON [View all]
Mira
Apr 2016
OP
K & R. Same. The party must be reclaimed, also the term 'liberal' that's been misused by cons.
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#113
Dems: so bad they're responsibly for every piece of legislative progress in our lifetimes.
CrowCityDem
Apr 2016
#2
everything republicans want back- no regulations for drug corps, insurance can refuse or dump people
Sunlei
Apr 2016
#139
Not in the last few decades. Nixon had more progressive legislation than Obama.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#115
No shit, the EPA was Nixon's doing and have to mention it worked better back then than it does now
mrdmk
Apr 2016
#135
If it had been a fair process, I would disagree with you, but given the wholesale fraud
FlatBaroque
Apr 2016
#5
Agree, after the sham way Bernie's been treated by the DNC, M$M, all bets are off!
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#114
If there's no poll data, then you absolutely can't make claims about his chances
Orrex
Apr 2016
#105
This is what is to be expected when both Parties are backed by the same wealthy Donors!
Dustlawyer
Apr 2016
#35
Also states like WI, AZ, RI and probably more closing many polling places
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#116
"expose to millions upon millions of Americans just how reactionary and corrupt the Democratic Party
scottie55
Apr 2016
#13
Here is the real deal, after eight years of the Clinton Administration and all we got eight years of
mrdmk
Apr 2016
#141
Bernie Sanders co-founded what is now the largest Democratic Caucus in the US Congress
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2016
#44
If you read this article, you wouldn't find it convincing to argue that Bernie is not
bjo59
Apr 2016
#71
Bush-Lite, I was always partial to Rolling Rock myself, would only drink it if there was nothing
AuntPatsy
Apr 2016
#28
I've heard and read all I need to about her proposals and positions, thanks.
truebluegreen
Apr 2016
#58
So you think the poor women and children today are better off after Clinton's
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#123
"On top of that, he seems to be an egoist."...you are quite an astute observer of politicians, eh?
islandmkl
Apr 2016
#67
Radical was anti Civil Rights, John Bircher, Libertarian Barry Goldwater who
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#120
Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.
George II
Apr 2016
#76
Democrats would still be trying to push the fiction they really want single payer.
pa28
Apr 2016
#91
I don't think the Clinton camp cares one iota about the party or the country...
polichick
Apr 2016
#101
Bernie is a Democrat, for life I might add, as announced already. Not only that, but he
silvershadow
Apr 2016
#103
Wouldn't it be great if there were a Jesus President who could magically satisfy the wants and needs
The_Casual_Observer
Apr 2016
#126
In related news, Emperor's staff condemns child for suggesting the monarch lacks clothes...
drokhole
Apr 2016
#144