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Bill USA

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91. the REASON 4 FRANKS OBSERVATION: UNION WORKERS % OF WORKFORCE DOWN 66% IN LAST 50 YRS
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:32 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016160952


Rather than the Democratic Party turning its back on the working class, it was the working class who turned its back on itself, wanting to think they were different than their blue collar dads.


I like Frank's work,but he did not go far enough in looking for causes. THe fact is labor union participation in the workforce went from ~35% in 1953 to ~12% in 2003. Without the political clout of labor unions Democrats were losing more elections. In addition the Right wingers began a long term plan to increase their political clout. This included winning more state legislatures and governorships and then gerrymandering themselves into more power in Congress.

But there was something more -- and the Democratic Party can't be blamed for this. I noticed, somewhere back in the 70's through the '80s many college educated white collar types started to turn away from thinking they were "working class" people. They wanted to separate themselves from the blue collar politics and candidates who made that kind of a pitch. They weren't as solidly Democratic and preferred to think of themselves a "professional" people who were not going to respond to the 'old' political pitches which saw the 'working people' as necessarily wary of political arguments that sounded too 'management' oriented.

The result was Democrats didn't get the kind of voter turnouts as they had in the past. Additionally, the GOP started making gains through more concerted disinformation campaigns (increased ownership of radio stations spreading their anti-union, pro-"free enterprise" propaganda played a big part in this). I see the Democratic party responding to these changes rather than operating in a vacuum and just deciding on its own to become less "working class" oriented. Rather than the Democratic Party turning its back on the working class, it was the working class who turned its back on itself, wanting to think they were different than their blue collar dads.

As the Republicans were winning more elections (in part thanks to Gerrymandering, but also because of people thinking they were not "working class" people anymore) and gaining greater clout in Congress, the old fighting for the working man approach wasn't working so well for the Democrats and they had to adapt with a more subtle approach in dealing with a Republican party of greater strength than in the 1960's.

IF people don't like the current situation they need to realize that unless they are independently wealthy, their best chance of getting sensible public policy which doesn't shaft working people is to vote Democratic - not only in national elections but in State elections too.


Then Thomas Frank's is free to start a Party that will make him happy. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #1
Careful what you wish for- jalan48 Jun 2016 #22
^^^^^^^^. n/t truedelphi Jun 2016 #85
There's wallyworld2 Jun 2016 #23
Typical internet warrior comment to an intelligent, published writer who libdem4life Jun 2016 #27
Well said------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #33
Yeah, but we are all silent internet warriors, to be truthful. libdem4life Jun 2016 #41
I agree -----------But this is what starts a political revolution --------------------- turbinetree Jun 2016 #74
That's it? 840high Jun 2016 #29
Does your vision of the Democratic Party include any standards or expectations? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #45
+100 Everything is apparently just fine for TrustBuster, so ... 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #64
Thomas Frank Was Part Of THE Party He Talks About! ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #47
Lol! There you go again ... KPN Jun 2016 #65
No we the People need to kick out the corporatists out of our party. They can start rhett o rick Jun 2016 #82
Sorry, I'm with Frank. Either the Democratic Party is going to begin actually representing PatrickforO Jun 2016 #83
From your lips to Gods ears... NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #84
His newest book answered many, many questions. arcane1 Jun 2016 #2
Yes, that's what the interview focused on. elleng Jun 2016 #3
Yes! merrifield Jun 2016 #10
Sadly, I think this rings true. nt babylonsister Jun 2016 #4
Yes, love, it does. elleng Jun 2016 #5
My Dad would be horrified. RIP Dad. 840high Jun 2016 #31
He Spells It Out Quite Well colsohlibgal Jun 2016 #6
Right, here we are. elleng Jun 2016 #8
As I'm Reading These Post By Those Who've Read The Book It's Very Clear ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #50
+! Thanks..! KoKo Jun 2016 #87
As I posted a while ago... seabeckind Jun 2016 #7
Thanks,seabeckind. elleng Jun 2016 #9
The list of chairs is very telling. seabeckind Jun 2016 #11
Right but actually elleng Jun 2016 #12
You are correct. It gets pretty nasty when you dig a little. seabeckind Jun 2016 #13
Thanks for this. elleng Jun 2016 #14
Yeah, I'm Into The Last Episodes of Bloodlines... ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #51
And here we are: elleng Jun 2016 #15
Well we can't say they did not tell us. zeemike Jun 2016 #20
interesting breakdown swhisper1 Jun 2016 #39
Healthy Forrest act wallyworld2 Jun 2016 #25
No comment, just a long drawn out sigh at the sight of this list. PoliticalMalcontent Jun 2016 #53
Recommend for Background... KoKo Jun 2016 #88
and he made no mention of the single most important factor certainot Jun 2016 #16
he did mention antitrust, didn't he? elleng Jun 2016 #17
once reagan killed the fairness doctrine they bought 500 stations certainot Jun 2016 #21
The worst mistake in our lifetime...nt freebrew Jun 2016 #58
imo the biggest political mistake in history considering certainot Jun 2016 #62
+1...nt freebrew Jun 2016 #63
THIS is why Bernie Sanders ran for POTUS. AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #18
Yes, exactly. elleng Jun 2016 #19
Exactly why I supported Bernie. Marie Marie Jun 2016 #24
I hope wallyworld2 Jun 2016 #26
Yup! Marie Marie Jun 2016 #32
Absolutely. Books like this happen as a Sea Change is beginning. libdem4life Jun 2016 #36
I am. 840high Jun 2016 #40
Yes. And to think so many HRC supporters accuse him of having a huge ego. panader0 Jun 2016 #38
That so amazes me, pander0, elleng Jun 2016 #48
They considered anyone who dared run against Hillary to have a huge ego. djean111 Jun 2016 #56
I suspect most of them are not all that interested in these issues alarimer Jun 2016 #59
+1! Spit on. KPN Jun 2016 #67
We need Bernie. Duval Jun 2016 #43
And guess what SmittynMo Jun 2016 #28
Yes, they pulled it then BUT elleng Jun 2016 #42
I'm Right There With You... NOT ANY MORE! n/t ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #52
This is such bullshit. If this were the case Social Security The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #30
Obama seemed willing to negotiate on Social Security Scootaloo Jun 2016 #49
Ha ha maindawg Jun 2016 #66
I'm not sure about the obstruction part. ReasonableToo Jun 2016 #79
Social Security Would have been eliminated years ago. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #75
One unfounded claim by you renders the entire premise of the book false? arcane1 Jun 2016 #81
So nice to find a good thread with thoughtful discussion. Thank you swhisper1 Jun 2016 #34
You're welcome swhisper1. elleng Jun 2016 #44
Yes, isn't it? Duval Jun 2016 #46
Yes it is... ReRe Jun 2016 #54
Does this sentence seem odd to anyone else? midnight Jun 2016 #35
great! thanx nt Jack Bone Jun 2016 #37
K&R ReRe Jun 2016 #55
The truth is going to hurt these corporatist types 4dsc Jun 2016 #57
I have two friends who have been registered dems for a couple of years. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #60
Good to hear, CrispyQ, elleng Jun 2016 #61
Great OP and thread. There is nothing more KPN Jun 2016 #68
A whole lot of concern trolling. Nitram Jun 2016 #69
It should NOT be, elleng Jun 2016 #71
it's part of the Hatred for Hillary Hysteria Skittles Jun 2016 #73
it's part of the Hatred for Hillary Hysteria AlbertCat Jun 2016 #76
criticizing Hilary is one thing Skittles Jun 2016 #92
Minimize it if you will, elleng Jun 2016 #77
see #92 Skittles Jun 2016 #93
Anybody who denies this is blind and deaf to reality. alarimer Jun 2016 #70
I'm sorry alarimer, I can't hear you. Nitram Jun 2016 #72
And Thomas Frank is who? Has what credentials? Has done what? tonyt53 Jun 2016 #78
Thomas Carr Frank (born March 21, 1965) is an American political analyst, historian, journalist elleng Jun 2016 #80
His book is a a really good read.....Available on the Tablets or Purchase..... KoKo Jun 2016 #86
And gotten obliterated in the process. Bad morals is bad politics. Doctor_J Jun 2016 #89
Right. elleng Jun 2016 #90
the REASON 4 FRANKS OBSERVATION: UNION WORKERS % OF WORKFORCE DOWN 66% IN LAST 50 YRS Bill USA Jun 2016 #91
He was on Democracy Now yesterday alarimer Jun 2016 #94
Yes, I posted it, elleng Jun 2016 #95
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #96
Thanks, Joe. elleng Jun 2016 #97
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