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polly7

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24. I was just doing a little reading on that, it seems to be mostly based on
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:12 PM
Sep 2012

complete baloney.

http://www.exmormon.org/whyileft.htm

Archeological findings for the time period of the Book of Mormon:
Ass..... NONE
Bull.... NONE
Calf.... NONE
Cattle.. NONE
Cow..... NONE
Butter.. NONE
Milk.... NONE
Flocks.. NONE
Goat.... NONE
Herds... NONE
Horse... NONE
Ox...... NONE
Sheep... NONE
Sow..... NONE
Swine... NONE
Elephants (NONE contemporary with the Book of Mormon)

Again from Tom Ferguson: "Evidence of the foregoing animals has not appeared in any form -- ceramic representations, bones or skeletal remains, mural art, sculptured art or any other form. However... evidence has been found in several forms of the presence in the Book-of-Mormon times of other animals--deer, jaguars, dogs, turkeys etc. The zero score presents a problem that will not go away with the ignoring of it. Non-LDS scholars of first magnitude, some who want to be our friends, think we have real trouble here. That evidence of the ancient existence of these animals is not elusive is found in the fact that proof of their existence in the ancient old-world is abundant. The absence of such evidence...is distressing and significant, in my view."

Metals

I will be briefer on the metals, but this is fascinating to me as I have both a BS and MS in metallurgical engineering.
Evidence supporting the existence of these metals, skills and products...at this time as follows:
Bellows....... NONE
Brass......... NONE
Breast Plates. NONE
Chains........ NONE
Copper........ NONE
Iron.......... NONE
Ore (mining).. NONE (this is very significant, no evidence of mining activities)
Plows......... NONE
Silver........ NONE
Swords........ NONE (none that are metal)
Steel......... NONE
Again from Tom Ferguson: "Metallurgy does not appear in the region until about the 9th century A.D. ...I regard this as a major weakness in the armor of our proponents and friends". ...Art does not portray the existence of metallurgical products or metallurgical activity. Again, the score is zero.

There are so many items archeologically, historically and using textual criticism to show the Book of Mormon to be fictional, that anyone willing to do a little study will reach the same conclusion.


CHURCH MEMBERS

"I believe deceit goes on at all levels of the church by seasoned members, with much of it well intended, but done with incredible ignorance. The degree of deceit varies with the intelligence, knowledge and church position of the seasoned members involved. When a member of the church brings up a historical or doctrinal problem, a seasoned member has learned how to give pat answers which give a superficially satisfactory resolution. For example, the question of why is the temple so similar to Masonry may get asked. The standard answer is that Masonry goes back to Solomon's temple. Any reasonable inquiry into that myth will show it to be absurd historically. This does seem however to satisfy one who does not dig any deeper and does not want to be troubled. Senior members of the church dole out such dribble all the time. In many cases they do not know themselves and give such a response because it was satisfactory to them. More intelligent individuals, such as Hugh Nibley, use their prolific creation of unrelated materials to confuse the question and the normal church member then concludes all must be well because someone wrote so much about it and the member is too overwhelmed to be troubled anymore. Is this deceit? I think it is. A seasoned member usually wants to give the impression of having superior knowledge and spirituality with no doubts expressed verbally about his or her faith. This facade is required in leadership positions and is also required in most Mormon social circles. The senior levels of the church are composed of individuals who hide behind their positions of trust and are experts at giving great impressions. This is subtle and powerful deception."


I find it very interesting that lying seems to be accepted to defend the religion and it really helps to explain, to me, Romney's ability to twist or completely change his facts depending on the circumstances, and the ease with which he does it.
What mormons really believe [View all] editor5 Sep 2012 OP
The thing I wanna know is....... left on green only Sep 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #2
Weird Confusious Sep 2012 #3
Wow, this wasn't covered in our Salt Lake City tour! Beartracks Sep 2012 #4
"Where did this animation come from?" KansDem Sep 2012 #9
"Fire in his eyes, iron in his thighs"?? Beartracks Sep 2012 #11
With the great Johnny Nash singing the theme Ishoutandscream2 Sep 2012 #35
Well OK so these folks seem like an older version of the L. Ron Hubbard thing jimlup Sep 2012 #5
Call It, Sir, What Barking Mad Barks At... The Magistrate Sep 2012 #6
WIN! kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #7
Mormonism: The 19th century version of Scientology. Raster Sep 2012 #19
Just as nutty as Tom Cruise Mkap Sep 2012 #8
Ah! defacto7 Sep 2012 #10
Pretty amazing that Jos. Smith vlyons Sep 2012 #12
heh. Shadowflash Sep 2012 #13
hear, hear! defacto7 Sep 2012 #58
This gives me hope. jerseyjack Sep 2012 #14
I'll do my homework BrainMann1 Sep 2012 #15
Just read the Book of Mormon. Its all there. olegramps Sep 2012 #16
The Book of Mormon is a work of fiction, plain and simple. Raster Sep 2012 #21
I was just doing a little reading on that, it seems to be mostly based on polly7 Sep 2012 #24
And there is more Ernest Partridge Sep 2012 #49
interesting stuff. barbtries Sep 2012 #50
Thanks very much for all of this, it's very interesting and revealing. polly7 Sep 2012 #52
That's super. n/t leeroysphitz Sep 2012 #17
what mormons really believe The CCC Sep 2012 #18
Prey tell... why don't you enlighten us? Please, explain IN DETAIL how the "hit piece"... Raster Sep 2012 #20
I'm sure donquijoterocket Sep 2012 #28
You are correct. I don't expect an answer. It was a textbook drive-by post. Raster Sep 2012 #45
How is this a hit piece? Are you trying to say this is not what they believe? OregonBlue Sep 2012 #31
Please do not feel assaulted here. I AM honestly curious. patrice Sep 2012 #38
Please inform us as to any inaccuracy in the piece. olegramps Sep 2012 #57
this heaven05 Sep 2012 #22
No it's not... RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #26
they also believe mopinko Sep 2012 #23
And there's the hook. RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #25
While I have reservations about many of their beliefs.... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #27
un-limited procreation + un-limited materialism/wealth acquisition = PROFOUNDLY destructive. nt patrice Sep 2012 #40
The only selling point for any religion is the promise of an afterlife where things are better tularetom Sep 2012 #29
This is the only one that I know of that makes dogma of WHERE that afterlife actually is located,i.e patrice Sep 2012 #42
Why do these religions... B Stieg Sep 2012 #30
NO kidding gopiscrap Sep 2012 #32
Joe Smith was the Hugh Heftner of His Day... Moonwalk Sep 2012 #33
Polly 7 nailed the Wellstone ruled Sep 2012 #34
I remember clips of this were used in Religulous Moostache Sep 2012 #36
Well said! I see many religions troday as destructive forces. Frankly, they are obsolete. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2012 #56
K, so their attitude toward non-White skins is that they don't figure in their spirit-universe patrice Sep 2012 #37
BTW, wasn't Jesus non-White? Race is SO confusing!!!! nt patrice Sep 2012 #39
Yes, it seems pretty strange, doesn't it? I know nothing about it and am curious too, polly7 Sep 2012 #41
DOES seem kind of pernicious because, even if you kind of short-circuit like I am, about LDS, patrice Sep 2012 #43
Good points, and I suspect you're probably right on them. polly7 Sep 2012 #44
There's a strong current out there being generated by LDS, Libertarians, Tea Party, Republicans, patrice Sep 2012 #46
I like the part where God says you can balance the budget by cutting taxes. Bucky Sep 2012 #47
Why do people want to believe this nonsense? amuse bouche Sep 2012 #48
So why do people want to believe the nonsense in the bible? n/t RebelOne Sep 2012 #59
I agree but amuse bouche Sep 2012 #60
I write fiction, too. nt valerief Sep 2012 #51
So .. theyre openly racist in their beliefs?? darkangel218 Sep 2012 #53
Coo-Coo, Coo-Coo! Plucketeer Sep 2012 #54
Is LDS a code word for LSD? n/t RKP5637 Sep 2012 #55
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