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In reply to the discussion: What mormons really believe [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)24. I was just doing a little reading on that, it seems to be mostly based on
complete baloney.
http://www.exmormon.org/whyileft.htm
Archeological findings for the time period of the Book of Mormon:
Ass..... NONE
Bull.... NONE
Calf.... NONE
Cattle.. NONE
Cow..... NONE
Butter.. NONE
Milk.... NONE
Flocks.. NONE
Goat.... NONE
Herds... NONE
Horse... NONE
Ox...... NONE
Sheep... NONE
Sow..... NONE
Swine... NONE
Elephants (NONE contemporary with the Book of Mormon)
Again from Tom Ferguson: "Evidence of the foregoing animals has not appeared in any form -- ceramic representations, bones or skeletal remains, mural art, sculptured art or any other form. However... evidence has been found in several forms of the presence in the Book-of-Mormon times of other animals--deer, jaguars, dogs, turkeys etc. The zero score presents a problem that will not go away with the ignoring of it. Non-LDS scholars of first magnitude, some who want to be our friends, think we have real trouble here. That evidence of the ancient existence of these animals is not elusive is found in the fact that proof of their existence in the ancient old-world is abundant. The absence of such evidence...is distressing and significant, in my view."
Metals
I will be briefer on the metals, but this is fascinating to me as I have both a BS and MS in metallurgical engineering.
Evidence supporting the existence of these metals, skills and products...at this time as follows:
Bellows....... NONE
Brass......... NONE
Breast Plates. NONE
Chains........ NONE
Copper........ NONE
Iron.......... NONE
Ore (mining).. NONE (this is very significant, no evidence of mining activities)
Plows......... NONE
Silver........ NONE
Swords........ NONE (none that are metal)
Steel......... NONE
Again from Tom Ferguson: "Metallurgy does not appear in the region until about the 9th century A.D. ...I regard this as a major weakness in the armor of our proponents and friends". ...Art does not portray the existence of metallurgical products or metallurgical activity. Again, the score is zero.
There are so many items archeologically, historically and using textual criticism to show the Book of Mormon to be fictional, that anyone willing to do a little study will reach the same conclusion.
CHURCH MEMBERS
"I believe deceit goes on at all levels of the church by seasoned members, with much of it well intended, but done with incredible ignorance. The degree of deceit varies with the intelligence, knowledge and church position of the seasoned members involved. When a member of the church brings up a historical or doctrinal problem, a seasoned member has learned how to give pat answers which give a superficially satisfactory resolution. For example, the question of why is the temple so similar to Masonry may get asked. The standard answer is that Masonry goes back to Solomon's temple. Any reasonable inquiry into that myth will show it to be absurd historically. This does seem however to satisfy one who does not dig any deeper and does not want to be troubled. Senior members of the church dole out such dribble all the time. In many cases they do not know themselves and give such a response because it was satisfactory to them. More intelligent individuals, such as Hugh Nibley, use their prolific creation of unrelated materials to confuse the question and the normal church member then concludes all must be well because someone wrote so much about it and the member is too overwhelmed to be troubled anymore. Is this deceit? I think it is. A seasoned member usually wants to give the impression of having superior knowledge and spirituality with no doubts expressed verbally about his or her faith. This facade is required in leadership positions and is also required in most Mormon social circles. The senior levels of the church are composed of individuals who hide behind their positions of trust and are experts at giving great impressions. This is subtle and powerful deception."
I find it very interesting that lying seems to be accepted to defend the religion and it really helps to explain, to me, Romney's ability to twist or completely change his facts depending on the circumstances, and the ease with which he does it.
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Prey tell... why don't you enlighten us? Please, explain IN DETAIL how the "hit piece"...
Raster
Sep 2012
#20
How is this a hit piece? Are you trying to say this is not what they believe?
OregonBlue
Sep 2012
#31
un-limited procreation + un-limited materialism/wealth acquisition = PROFOUNDLY destructive. nt
patrice
Sep 2012
#40
The only selling point for any religion is the promise of an afterlife where things are better
tularetom
Sep 2012
#29
This is the only one that I know of that makes dogma of WHERE that afterlife actually is located,i.e
patrice
Sep 2012
#42
Well said! I see many religions troday as destructive forces. Frankly, they are obsolete. n/t
RKP5637
Sep 2012
#56
K, so their attitude toward non-White skins is that they don't figure in their spirit-universe
patrice
Sep 2012
#37
Yes, it seems pretty strange, doesn't it? I know nothing about it and am curious too,
polly7
Sep 2012
#41
DOES seem kind of pernicious because, even if you kind of short-circuit like I am, about LDS,
patrice
Sep 2012
#43