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Hillary Clinton

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Hal Bent

(59 posts)
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:28 AM Dec 2015

Bernie supporters could blow this election [View all]

Why refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton will only make everything worse

By Gary Legum

The political left has been tearing itself up of late with a rousing game of “Who Wants to Be the Most Liberal Liberal Ever To Liberal,” much in the same way it seems to each and every election cycle. The current battle, between supporters of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, would be much more entertaining if the arguments for and against both campaigns weren’t variations on the same tired leftier-than-thou rhetoric and blind loyalty that were worn out even before Ralph Nader threw his rumpled corduroy blazer over his shoulder and slunk off into the humid Florida night.

I’ll get to some of those arguments in a minute, but first I’m going to pull on my old-man pants, hike the waist up to my armpits, shake my fist at some clouds, and share a couple of the strongest memories I have of the months leading up to the 2000 election, when I was a 26-year-old, semi-politically-aware liberalish Gen-X voter.

I recall a debate that year about whether true liberals should vote for Nader because, in his formulation, there was not a dime’s worth of difference between the two major-party candidates, Al Gore and George W. Bush. I recall email blasts from at least one acquaintance in a toss-up state trying to interest his friends in states that were safely for Gore in a voting trade of sorts, whereby one of us would cast our vote for Nader; in return, our friend would cast his vote for Gore. The thinking was that this would preserve a Democratic victory in both states while also registering liberal protests at the centrist drift of the party.

I recall spending the night before the election drinking in a P.F. Chang’s in Los Angeles with a group of friends, one of whom had brought along a reporter from the L.A. Daily News who planned on casting her vote the next day for Nader. There had been some vague concern over polls showing the race for California’s 54 electoral votes might be close, but she assured us all that this was not the case. California was safely in Gore’s column, so liberals might as well cast that protest vote.

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/02/bernie_supports_could_blow_this_election_why_refusing_to_vote_for_hillary_clinton_will_only_make_things_worse/

Yes, this is a couple of weeks old. But it's still true!

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DWS could blow this election. Her Third Way campaign have already cost us two more elections. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author deutsey Dec 2015 #3
. stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #11
That could be the figurehead of another lost election. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #12
this is the Hillary Clinton (Group) . stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #14
No, she doesn't need to do anything such thing. Cha Dec 2015 #24
This is the Hillary group Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #40
I printed out your post ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #41
Why are you here trolling the Hillary Group? comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #51
They can't help themselves. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #52
I'm still pissed off about that shit. byronius Dec 2015 #2
+ a million! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #6
fucking A+ n/t fleabiscuit Dec 2015 #31
I was at a Gore rally in 2000 in LA ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #42
Hey, byronius, stop holding yourself back and tell us how you REALLY feel! Hekate Dec 2015 #45
Here it comes, blaming the Bernie folks for not supporting Hillary. PFunk1 Dec 2015 #4
I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.... stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #15
You are in the Hillary group, this isn't a forum, please respect and delete Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #16
Yes, you are right about that, I agree, but.. pangaia Dec 2015 #27
aren't we all Clinton at heart? stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #25
Hopefully Bernie wins the primaries so we won't have to worry about this issue. forsaken mortal Dec 2015 #5
Hopefully Hillary wins the primary so I don't have to vote of bernie. Cha Dec 2015 #18
Hopefully you'll go to the Bernie group ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #43
Slam Dunk! the dork knight Jan 2016 #49
Dems need to Grow Up lobodons Dec 2015 #7
We are grown up. And we don't need to support whoever comes out of the process. PFunk1 Dec 2015 #8
O.K. thank you nader 2000 voters lobodons Dec 2015 #9
My biggest enemy is not the GOP, it is the 1% of both party affiliations FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #28
The gopropaganda big lie machine thanks you Cha Dec 2015 #47
starting to be annoying good. stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #13
This is the Hillary group. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #17
Nah, it's all about you. Not thinking of the big picture. Not caring about our Planet. Cha Dec 2015 #20
Might consider dialing that back. Just saying. eom fleabiscuit Dec 2015 #32
Actually that's an incredibly childish position to take. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #34
How. Old. Are. You. Because if you don't remember and won't learn from the destruction wrought... Hekate Dec 2015 #46
I have lost friends Coolest Ranger Dec 2015 #10
I keep pretty quiet about supporting Hillary Ellen Forradalom Dec 2015 #22
Hillary is the best qualified candidate. Not voting in the GE allowed Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #21
Right? wildeyed Dec 2015 #23
Reality sucks: yallerdawg Dec 2015 #26
... Bryce Butler Dec 2015 #29
What does that childish meme even mean? n/t fleabiscuit Dec 2015 #33
Just pulling more shit out of their asses ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #44
This has my vote for most politically ignorant post EVER. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #35
No, you and your crawling bug are not Welcome in Hillary's Group.. you have the whole Cha Dec 2015 #37
Please delete this stuff Coolest Ranger Dec 2015 #39
The extreme Left clearly has no understanding of how politics works. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #30
Eh, the majority will fall in line and vote when it matters Godhumor Dec 2015 #36
I'm really worried about this Coolest Ranger Dec 2015 #38
The BS jp-radicals don't have the numbers to make a difference either way. fleabiscuit Jan 2016 #48
They are so inconsequential, I don't worry about it. nt William769 Jan 2016 #50
They are trying a new tactic Coolest Ranger Jan 2016 #53
Not likely... brooklynite Jan 2016 #54
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