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FBaggins

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17. Surely you know that you can't do that?
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:17 PM
Nov 2013

Sure... looking at the past and assuming that nothing changes into the future (until everything falls apart of course) is standard M.O. for a malthusian... but that doesn't make it legitimate.

The impact of already-implemented (and incredibly significant) policy decisions regarding hydro/nuclear/renewables wouldn't show up at all with such a curve fitting. So we already know that those lines are wrong... and that impacts the coal line.


Also - an underlying assumption that does not match reality continues the cause/effect error we discussed last time in assuming that energy drives economic activity (rather than the other way around). Much of China's massive population has been shifting out of 3rd-world status over the last couple decades... and thus their GDP growth has been astronomical (even in "recession" years). That growth rate wouldn't continue for that long even if they had all the energy they wanted. Thus it doesn't make sense to draw lines based on the assumption that energy demand will continue to grow at the rate of the last decade over the next two.

Unsustainable energy-base is just one of many destabilizing factors in China. DetlefK Nov 2013 #1
China can't reprise the European industrial revolution. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #6
"They don't have enough other energy resources..." kristopher Nov 2013 #2
Economies require energy. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #4
You said they don't have the resources. kristopher Nov 2013 #7
I know Canada is doing badly. I'm not talking about Canada. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #9
Maybe you SHOULD be talking about Canada. kristopher Nov 2013 #11
Why, so I'll stop talking about really uncomfortable things? GliderGuider Nov 2013 #12
I was thinking you might be motivated ... kristopher Nov 2013 #13
I yam what I yam, kristopher. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #16
China has a lot of solar potential Demeter Nov 2013 #3
What's the source for your extrapolation? FBaggins Nov 2013 #5
The data is from the BP Statistical Review. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #10
Sorry... once again? FBaggins Nov 2013 #14
Those are my curve fits to the BP data. nt GliderGuider Nov 2013 #15
Surely you know that you can't do that? FBaggins Nov 2013 #17
So both the pro- and anti-nuke camps think this is bad juju. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #18
Which should tell you something FBaggins Nov 2013 #19
Actually, GliderGuider Nov 2013 #20
Nope. FBaggins Nov 2013 #21
Here's how I see it. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #23
Well, no matter what one is "selling," be it a vision of disaster or something else, curve... NNadir Nov 2013 #27
I've banished two words from my vocabulary: "should" and "hope" GliderGuider Nov 2013 #29
Whilst not as pessimistic as you, I thought that was a good post - thanks. Nihil Nov 2013 #31
Glad you liked it! GliderGuider Nov 2013 #32
100 million tons of coal for China pscot Nov 2013 #8
100 million tons of coal will produce 286 million tons of CO2 byproduct ??? CRH Nov 2013 #22
It's EIA, though output will vary a bit - grade of coal, efficiency of combustion, etc. hatrack Nov 2013 #24
He's not that wrong. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #25
"1 short ton (2,000 pounds) of this coal will generate about 5,720 pounds (2.86 short tons)" kristopher Nov 2013 #26
Basic chemistry FBaggins Nov 2013 #28
Something else to note: GliderGuider Nov 2013 #30
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