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GliderGuider

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29. I've banished two words from my vocabulary: "should" and "hope"
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 08:51 PM
Nov 2013

And no, there's no existential illness, thanks for your concern.

I've been mulling over this new analogy of competing prophets a bit more. It's very fruitful.

I see people like FBaggins and kristopher as street-corner prophets for different Gods, each promising salvation in return for worship.

The Prophet of the Sun God and God of the North Wind thunders, "If you follow me and worship my True God, the path to Salvation shall lie open before us. Worship at the Altar of the Wind, Sun and Water, and mankind shall have Eternal Life. Turn aside from this One True Path and ye shall burn forever in the Lake of Nuclear Fire."

The Prophet of the Atom (praise be unto Einstein!) says something oddly similar. "If you follow me and worship my True God, the path to Salvation shall lie before you. Worship at the Altar of the Atom and we shall all enjoy Eternal Life. Turn aside from this One True Path and ye shall have condemned all mankind to eternal torment in the Climate Apocalypse."

Each of them reviles the other. They develop clever techniques to twist each others' words, invalidate each others' numbers, and deny each others' Gods. Each portrays the other as either Antichrist or Fool.

In this little psychodrama I see myself as a bit like a street-corner atheist - maybe with a touch of Richard Dawkins' bellicosity. I'm the guy who stands nearby and tells the people who come up to listen, "You know, there is actually no God. There is no Salvation. We are all mortal, made of flesh and bone. When we die, that's it. Nobody lives happily ever after in real life. These guys are trying to sell you something they don't own. Go home and hug your children."

People like listening to the prophets. The conflict is fun, and no matter which one you choose to believe you get an in-group to belong to and an out-group to hate. Their messages are full of the fluffy bunny-ears of hope and the fangs of contempt - there's something there for everyone.

People generally don't like listening to me or anyone who sounds like me. I don't offer Salvation, I don't even offer Hope. I don't tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do. I've stopped blaming anybody. I don't see our predicament as a moral failure. I tell people that we have to accept who and what we are, and offer an unusual interpretation of what that is:

We are dissipative structures whose DNA has been formed in the context of non-equilibrium thermodynamics, whose behavior is best described by evolutionary psychology. As a result, our collective behavior is strongly constrained by the flow of free energy through our societies - the more energy, the more we are constrained. We are herd animals easily entrained into lockstep by group norms. If there is enough free energy flow around us, our evolutionary history inclines us to behave like the "Takers" in Daniel Quinn's novel "Ishmael". Some of us long to be more like the "Leavers" instead, and are angry and blameful that humanity can't seem to make that shift. Those dreamers don't understand the power of our evolved, unconscious neural circuits - or how strongly those circuits respond to conditions of excess with exactly the sort of "immoral" behavior we so love to disparage.

This debate is not really about whose numbers are correct, but about what vision of the world can confer status upon its holder. The one thing the prophets here can agree on, it seems, is that somebody's numbers must be right. Well, I don't think this debate is actually about numbers at all, no matter how much effort we put in convincing ourselves that it is. It's about different visions of reality. It's not even so much about the future (which we all agree is pretty unpredictable), as it is about the nature of humanity - right here, right now.

The intent of my curve fitting is not to demonstrate some possible energy future. It is to demonstrate the ridiculousness of the notion that there is a God of Energy Salvation. The Prophets of Power are selling something they don't own. Go home and hug your kids.

Unsustainable energy-base is just one of many destabilizing factors in China. DetlefK Nov 2013 #1
China can't reprise the European industrial revolution. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #6
"They don't have enough other energy resources..." kristopher Nov 2013 #2
Economies require energy. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #4
You said they don't have the resources. kristopher Nov 2013 #7
I know Canada is doing badly. I'm not talking about Canada. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #9
Maybe you SHOULD be talking about Canada. kristopher Nov 2013 #11
Why, so I'll stop talking about really uncomfortable things? GliderGuider Nov 2013 #12
I was thinking you might be motivated ... kristopher Nov 2013 #13
I yam what I yam, kristopher. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #16
China has a lot of solar potential Demeter Nov 2013 #3
What's the source for your extrapolation? FBaggins Nov 2013 #5
The data is from the BP Statistical Review. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #10
Sorry... once again? FBaggins Nov 2013 #14
Those are my curve fits to the BP data. nt GliderGuider Nov 2013 #15
Surely you know that you can't do that? FBaggins Nov 2013 #17
So both the pro- and anti-nuke camps think this is bad juju. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #18
Which should tell you something FBaggins Nov 2013 #19
Actually, GliderGuider Nov 2013 #20
Nope. FBaggins Nov 2013 #21
Here's how I see it. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #23
Well, no matter what one is "selling," be it a vision of disaster or something else, curve... NNadir Nov 2013 #27
I've banished two words from my vocabulary: "should" and "hope" GliderGuider Nov 2013 #29
Whilst not as pessimistic as you, I thought that was a good post - thanks. Nihil Nov 2013 #31
Glad you liked it! GliderGuider Nov 2013 #32
100 million tons of coal for China pscot Nov 2013 #8
100 million tons of coal will produce 286 million tons of CO2 byproduct ??? CRH Nov 2013 #22
It's EIA, though output will vary a bit - grade of coal, efficiency of combustion, etc. hatrack Nov 2013 #24
He's not that wrong. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #25
"1 short ton (2,000 pounds) of this coal will generate about 5,720 pounds (2.86 short tons)" kristopher Nov 2013 #26
Basic chemistry FBaggins Nov 2013 #28
Something else to note: GliderGuider Nov 2013 #30
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