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In reply to the discussion: Abbas Rejects U.S. Peace Proposal, Again [View all]Israeli
(4,174 posts)72. Why Abbas turned Biden down............
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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas refused US Vice President Joe Biden's offer to reopen talks with Israel, convinced that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has no real intention of negotiating.
Author Shlomi Eldar Posted March 16, 2016
Translator Aviva Arad
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/03/mahmoud-abbas-joe-biden-john-kerry-benjamin-netanyahu.html#ixzz43EiMBr9w
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas refused US Vice President Joe Biden's offer to reopen talks with Israel, convinced that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has no real intention of negotiating.
Author Shlomi Eldar Posted March 16, 2016
Translator Aviva Arad
So why did Abbas laugh? And why did he reject out of hand a diplomatic process with Israel, a moment after he told the vice president that a political solution would have prevented the current violent uprising? The answer is that Abbas simply does not trust Netanyahus intentions.
Abbas' diplomatic experience with Netanyahu, including during the Kerry-driven negotiations, left him with the impression one shared by all the senior Palestinian leadership that the Israeli prime minister isnt negotiating in order to reach a diplomatic agreement, but to stonewall. He believes that Netanyahu wants to appear in the international arena as someone intending to move toward a diplomatic compromise that would have succeeded if Abbas hadnt caused it to fail. You can ask Tzipi Livni how serious we were, and how Netanyahu kept her on a tight leash, Abbas told Biden, according to the Palestinian source.
Abbas' diplomatic experience with Netanyahu, including during the Kerry-driven negotiations, left him with the impression one shared by all the senior Palestinian leadership that the Israeli prime minister isnt negotiating in order to reach a diplomatic agreement, but to stonewall. He believes that Netanyahu wants to appear in the international arena as someone intending to move toward a diplomatic compromise that would have succeeded if Abbas hadnt caused it to fail. You can ask Tzipi Livni how serious we were, and how Netanyahu kept her on a tight leash, Abbas told Biden, according to the Palestinian source.
In the past, Abbas had hinted that he doesnt see the right of return as a make-or-break issue. In an interview on Israeli Channel 2 in November 2012, he declared that even though he is a refugee from Safed, in northern Israel, he doesnt think of returning there. Palestine now for me is the 67 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital," he said in the interview. "I am a refugee, but I am living in Ramallah.
I believe that [the] West Bank and Gaza is Palestine
and the other parts [are] Israel.
Abbas' assent to dictates from Netanyahu, who had utterly humiliated the Palestinian chairman in the past, would now be seen by Palestinians, including senior members of his movement, as capitulation to the Israelis. In this situation, no Israeli compromise could make up for that.
Abbas' smile at Bidens proposal meant, "Now you remember, when the United States is about to have an election?" What chance is there that a diplomatic initiative could be concluded in just a few months? After all, the previous round of talks, which lasted more than a year, didnt even get to the essential issues.
It seems that Abbas' term will end not over a democratic process failing to take place in the Palestinian Authority, but because of the vehemence of opposition to his rule among the general Palestinian populace.
From their standpoint, the Palestinians dont have high hopes for the US elections. In their opinion, neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton nor even Bernie Sanders will solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and force Israel to end the occupation. The only path for the Palestinians, they believe, is to take action themselves in pursuing recognition by the United Nations with European support and hope for a lot of luck.
Abbas' assent to dictates from Netanyahu, who had utterly humiliated the Palestinian chairman in the past, would now be seen by Palestinians, including senior members of his movement, as capitulation to the Israelis. In this situation, no Israeli compromise could make up for that.
Abbas' smile at Bidens proposal meant, "Now you remember, when the United States is about to have an election?" What chance is there that a diplomatic initiative could be concluded in just a few months? After all, the previous round of talks, which lasted more than a year, didnt even get to the essential issues.
It seems that Abbas' term will end not over a democratic process failing to take place in the Palestinian Authority, but because of the vehemence of opposition to his rule among the general Palestinian populace.
From their standpoint, the Palestinians dont have high hopes for the US elections. In their opinion, neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton nor even Bernie Sanders will solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and force Israel to end the occupation. The only path for the Palestinians, they believe, is to take action themselves in pursuing recognition by the United Nations with European support and hope for a lot of luck.
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/03/mahmoud-abbas-joe-biden-john-kerry-benjamin-netanyahu.html#ixzz43EiMBr9w
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East Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state is not what Israel wants
oberliner
Mar 2016
#17
Was Biden at least gracious enough to offer Abbas a tissue after spitting in his face?
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#3
When it comes to the question of a future return of the Palestinian refugees, it's possible it will
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#6
Abbas was not in power during the Clinton era and must we really revisit Olmert-again
azurnoir
Mar 2016
#34
you brought up Abbas Olmert comment #33 - I replied to that I replied comment #34
azurnoir
Mar 2016
#40
Please provide an example of such a land swap so that can I understand what you mean.
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#47
It seems as if you've got difficulties forming a cogent argument about the land swaps.
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#62
I'm pointing out the fact that no 2 state proposal would be good enough for you....
shira
Mar 2016
#64
Wasn't that offer withdrawn when Netanyahu took over, or do you think it's still valid? n/t
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#65
It's not whether I would deign to accept a peace proposal or not, it's only about whether it's
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#67
Nonsense. If you're worried that the state isn't contiguous then see Olmert's....
shira
Mar 2016
#70
Is there any way the Arab Peace Initiative could be amended to become acceptable to Israel?
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#48
I do not think that anything acceptable to Israel would be offered or accepted by the other side.
aranthus
Mar 2016
#56
That wouldn't leave enough land for a viable Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem,
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#60
The reason there aren't 2 states today is the same reason it didn't happen in 1947.
shira
Mar 2016
#63
I would like to point out that it's not always a good idea to draw a direct parallell between a
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#66
I think the chance for a viable two-state solution is less likely now than before Netanyahu.
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#19
Can you link us to the part where Bibi welcomed it with open arms? I must have missed that part
azurnoir
Mar 2016
#16
actually it was an idea "floated by unnamed WH 'officials'" according to the Towers source -ToI
azurnoir
Mar 2016
#23
I'm questioning the veracity The Tower makes a claim and links to a ToI* article as proof
azurnoir
Mar 2016
#29