Israel/Palestine

Shaktimaan

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26. Hyperbole?

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:01 AM

Jan 2012

Do you draw a distinction between security measures and collective punishment at all?
Your post indicates that this procedure has no goal other than to punish Palestinians for previous terrorist attacks. The fact that it is a random search that affects a small percentage of travelers doesn't mitigate your belief that it is meant as punishment for all Palestinians?

You seem to think that all searches and security measures are so unnecessary that they can only be motivated by a desire to oppress Palestinians. What would you suggest as an alternative?

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New Israeli search method at West Bank checkpoint worries Palestinians [View all] Jefferson23 Jan 2012 OP

Better this, King_David Jan 2012 #1

Collective punishment to include children is a great idea for some. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #2

Isn't a suicide bomb a collective punishment? holdencaufield Jan 2012 #8

Is there anyone in this thread saying suicide bombings are a good idea? Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #12

I do not believe anyone should justify suicide bombers no more than Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #45

You can't blame EVERYBODY in Palestine for that Ken Burch Jan 2012 #3

Why not? nt King_David Jan 2012 #4

Why not blame all Palestinians for that, or why not have an Aussie flag icon? Ken Burch Jan 2012 #7

''Why do you nurture your hatred, when it does you no good? '' King_David Jan 2012 #46

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #5

No you didn't-I don't think anything remotely like that. Ken Burch Jan 2012 #6

yes you do ken..... pelsar Jan 2012 #9

That wasn't even what I was arguing in my original post Ken Burch Jan 2012 #10

the scanners that make you appear naked? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #13

Every ATTRACTIVE person should be body-scanned... holdencaufield Jan 2012 #15

You could assign soldiers of the appropriate gender to do the scans, if necessary. Ken Burch Jan 2012 #31

knowing palestinian culture... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #38

so your for collective punishment?......that is what your answer is .... pelsar1 Jan 2012 #39

I've never deserved the condescension you fling at me. Ken Burch Jan 2012 #11

to be fair... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #16

That's complete nonsense... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #19

No, it's completely true. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #25

Bullshit. That's not what you accused him of... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #29

It's exactly what I accused him of. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #34

No it's not at all... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #51

It's not? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #68

It was made in response to comment that accused Ken of antisemitism azurnoir Jan 2012 #35

huh? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #37

The person I had responded to had accused me of being an antisemite Ken Burch Jan 2012 #32

Well... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #36

Nope never had a discussion with him.... King_David Jan 2012 #48

perhaps you should read post #4 n/t azurnoir Jan 2012 #57

Post number 4 ? King_David Jan 2012 #67

In another thread, King David said something about how his grandfather had been treated in the 40's Ken Burch Jan 2012 #60

My remarks there Ken Burch Jan 2012 #61

He said all Palestinians SHOULD be blamed for the Netanya massacre Ken Burch Jan 2012 #63

RUBBISH ,I said nothing of the sort, King_David Jan 2012 #66

It was disgusting and ugly to say that Palestinians aren't collectively responsible for Netanya? Ken Burch Jan 2012 #72

Whatever King_David Jan 2012 #84

+1 King_David Jan 2012 #47

Minus eleventy billion n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #52

your not an idiote...just... pelsar1 Jan 2012 #40

no, I don't believe Israelis, as a group are evil Ken Burch Jan 2012 #59

...collective retribution has to stop. holdencaufield Jan 2012 #14

The condoning of collective punishment was aimed at Palestinians, not Jews... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #17

You can't stop one... holdencaufield Jan 2012 #18

Ah, so you do support collective punishment of Palestinians. Thanks... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #20

There haven't been any suicide bombings for ages... holdencaufield Jan 2012 #21

Then why make out they were still happening? Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #22

Seriously? NT holdencaufield Jan 2012 #23

Just reposting exactly what you said n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #24

bombs are still being attempted to smuggle past the checkpoints.... pelsar1 Jan 2012 #41

I wonder how the pro-Palestinians here would instruct Israel to check for bombs... shira Jan 2012 #43

You'd suppose wrong, yet again... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #54

So how should Israel effectively stop terrorists from crossing the border... shira Jan 2012 #62

WTF are you doing back in this thread, pelsar? Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #49

There are some disgusting posts in this thread and they not Pelsar's nt King_David Jan 2012 #53

No idea which ones, but alert on them if you've got a problem... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #55

'Is that clear enough for you ? ' King_David Jan 2012 #56

No, just wanted to make sure you were understanding... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #58

'the success of the walls and checkpoints at stopping the bombs naturally brings down the number ' King_David Jan 2012 #83

Hyperbole? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #26

Not on my part, no... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #28

I read the thread. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #42

Apparently, security measures at airports are collective punishment as well... shira Jan 2012 #44

Then take it up with the person I was replying to. They're the one who said it n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #50

And they don't get it as a group Ken Burch Jan 2012 #30

The problem is that... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #33

Actually, the conflict isn't THAT old, going back only to the early 20th Century. Ken Burch Jan 2012 #64

Right. It is 100 years old. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #65

One of the major reasons for the conflict Ken Burch Jan 2012 #73

Bullshit. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #76

the difference Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #69

If the occupation reduces resistance, explain Hamas, then? Ken Burch Jan 2012 #74

Explain Hamas? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #75

I didn't simply say "Explain Hamas", and leave it at that. Ken Burch Jan 2012 #77

Ken, terror attacks increased after Oslo in the mid 90's... shira Jan 2012 #78

It was "dissing" to trap Arafat in Ramallah Ken Burch Jan 2012 #79

First, I want you to admit you're wrong about the PA... shira Jan 2012 #80

Why should I? Ken Burch Jan 2012 #81

Because the PLO proved in 2000 they don't want a peaceful 2 state solution... shira Jan 2012 #82

Ken... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #85

What about all the Gazans who voted in Hamas? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #27

Apartheid Policy gaelic Jan 2012 #70

How does one eyewitness nausea inducing chemicals? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #71