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In reply to the discussion: Is the LGBT Group meeting your needs? [View all]

Ms. Toad

(34,193 posts)
18. Thank you!
Wed May 30, 2012, 12:31 PM
May 2012

I am deeply grateful that this has not been swept under the rug just because the thread was locked and dropped out of sight.

Personally, I was going to just step back - but decided that after my extensive participation in the thread about sexy images of men that I owed it to the group to at least share the impact of that thread on my feelings toward this group.

I was quite pleasantly surprised that it did not just generate another blast of anger - and even more surprised and pleased that there are steps being taken to address the concerns. It isn't a perfect world, and in any mixed gender group LGBT group I have ever been in, gender dynamics have been an issue unless (and sometimes even when) they are is intentionally addressed. I don't expect an instant sea change, but the recent responsiveness to the feelings I expressed in that thread (and to the specific steps I suggested were necessary to start undoing some of the alienation I felt as a result of it) go a long way toward demonstrating to me that the group is willing to try to be responsive to concerns about gender dynamics. I've got quite a bit of patience, and tolerance for the occasional unintentional jab in the rib, as long as it doesn't feel like I'm being told to shut up.

As to LLP's suggestion (below) regarding host hierarchy. In a perfect world, there would be no need to be concerned about hierarchy. In a striving to be perfect world - but not there yet - gender would be relatively and deliberately balanced. In my primary LGBT community, we removed our gender balance requirement 2 years ago, after a practice of strict equality that had been in place since around 1980. From a practical perspective, in this situation, I don't have strong feelings as to how necessary it is to rearrange host hierarchy, since the only practical implications I am aware of in connection with the hierarchy are the ability to terminate hosts below you and the appearance of power based on order in the list. I don't have the impression that host hierarchy played a role in the recent interactions, it seemed to me more a consequence of online presence and personalities.

As William769 pointed out the current hierarchy was not deliberately created. But if the group now decides it is important to rearrange the hierarchy, it is simple enough to accomplish. Just have hosts below DSC resign, and rename them in alternating gender order for as long as the alternating pattern can be carried out. (And if there are hosts who do not identify with one gender or the other, I would suggest putting those individuals in as every third host but otherwise continue the alternation - so the rotation would be M(DSC)-F-Z-F-M-Z-M-F, with "Z" for individuals not not identifying as M or F on the gender binary scale.) As a general principle, it isn't a bad idea. But I don't have strong feelings that it needs to be done or would have a significant impact on how the hosts function.

I am mostly satisfied. Fearless May 2012 #1
I would really like to see... WillParkinson May 2012 #2
I'm pretty happy with the Group. William769 May 2012 #3
As an ally susanr516 May 2012 #5
Feel free to say hi sometimes though! Fearless May 2012 #26
As an avid reader and fan of your posts... Amimnoch May 2012 #32
I'm happy that your happy. William769 May 2012 #34
i like the group a lot irisblue May 2012 #4
Prior to Ms. Toad May 2012 #6
I will bring up word for word what you have just said with the hosts Fearless May 2012 #7
Thank you. n/t Ms. Toad May 2012 #8
That about covers it. Well said. yardwork May 2012 #9
i too think the beefcake thread issue was minor La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #11
honestly when the hosting votes were being cast, i remember saying La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #10
In regards to the gender divide, we have taken actions to fix this... Fearless May 2012 #12
Well I know i have been asked, but I am still not happy that the first 6 hosts are males La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #13
This really needs to stop. William769 May 2012 #14
no, it doesn't need to stop. its a conversation about privilege that needs to be had La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #16
Go for it. You were given a chance you turned it down. William769 May 2012 #17
Why are you being so aggressive about this? if you didn't want to have this conversation La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #19
I agree. Thank you for saying so. (nt) Duncan Grant May 2012 #29
Good points. Zorra May 2012 #15
I am not saying that the order was deliberately exclusive La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #20
A brief comment... Fearless May 2012 #21
He removed you as host from the HIV/AIDS forum? JackBeck May 2012 #22
.. La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #23
Hey Jack! Puglover May 2012 #30
Yeah, I know what you were saying about the exclusive/inclusive thing. Zorra May 2012 #24
i didnt mean to imply you were naive La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #25
Indeed. Zorra May 2012 #27
+1 Fearless May 2012 #28
Thank you! Ms. Toad May 2012 #18
Some belated support for you jumptheshadow Jun 2012 #38
Thank you for the support Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #43
Not really meeting my needs at this time. Duncan Grant May 2012 #31
There is most definitely room for everyone! +1 Fearless May 2012 #33
Good post. I agree with what you're saying. yardwork May 2012 #35
Excellent points. DURHAM D Jun 2012 #37
You raised a reasonable point of discussion jumptheshadow Jun 2012 #39
I love this forum Marrah_G Jun 2012 #36
I believe LLP and William769 worked things out between them. Jamastiene Jun 2012 #40
wonderful!!! Marrah_G Jun 2012 #42
I have mixed feelings jumptheshadow Jun 2012 #41
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