Gun Control & RKBA

fredzachmane

(85 posts) Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:28 AM Apr 2013

I have a question you guys can answer [View all]

The whole discussion about extended background checks & registration doesn't make sense to me. I'm a gun owner & I don't have any particular objection to background checks, but I have never heard a pro gun control person explain how a registry would be a crime deterrent. It's not as if Lanza or some other crazy would have suddenly decided not to kill because they were on a list of known gun owners, and many like Lanza steal the guns. I spent a while on the net and couldn't find an answer. I find a lot of explanations for why 2A supporters oppose registration, but no explanation from people who support it.

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I have a question you guys can answer [View all] fredzachmane Apr 2013 OP

Two reasons I can think of: petronius Apr 2013 #1

Think through this comment av8r1998 Apr 2013 #3

A gun is used in a murder..... rdharma Apr 2013 #2

How do you plan to register criminal's guns? hack89 Apr 2013 #8

Unregistered gun? Go to jail. That simple. nt rdharma Apr 2013 #11

By law, felons cannot be forced to register their guns due to the 5th amendment hack89 Apr 2013 #13

Felons can't register........ rdharma Apr 2013 #15

So you agree that registration is irrelevant when addressing criminals owning guns? hack89 Apr 2013 #16

"So you agree....." NO! rdharma Apr 2013 #18

With 300 million unregistered guns in America hack89 Apr 2013 #19

Don't need registration to trace a gun back to the initial purchaser. hack89 Apr 2013 #20

"Straw purchasers can be identified right now." FALSE. rdharma Apr 2013 #22

What about the Form 4473? hack89 Apr 2013 #23

"Every straw buyer has filled out a Form 4473" FALSE..... again! rdharma Apr 2013 #24

So what straw buyers don't fill out a form 4473 - care to educate us? nt hack89 Apr 2013 #25

Private purchases..... for one. nt rdharma Apr 2013 #27

It is not illegal for a private seller to sell to a straw buyer hack89 Apr 2013 #29

"not illegal for a private seller to sell to a straw buyer......." rdharma Apr 2013 #32

Straw purchases are a Federal offense hack89 Apr 2013 #34

No. It's You who has no clue. rdharma Apr 2013 #35

No - how about you provide some proof. hack89 Apr 2013 #36

Here's your proof.......... rdharma Apr 2013 #39

We were talking about straw purchases being a federal and not a state offense hack89 Apr 2013 #40

"I do not support registration." rdharma Apr 2013 #43

No - there are other means to stop straw purchases. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #45

"other means to stop straw purchases" rdharma Apr 2013 #46

Pass the The Stop Illegal Trafficking in Firearms Act of 2013. hack89 Apr 2013 #48

Increased penalty...... rdharma Apr 2013 #50

Since straw purchases are only a federal crime, the records are there. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #51

No..... if there's no background check........ rdharma Apr 2013 #53

I understand. But background checks and registration are separate issues hack89 Apr 2013 #55

Without records maintained..... background checks only rdharma Apr 2013 #56

So how do you get every state to mandate registration? hack89 Apr 2013 #57

Federal Legislation........ nt rdharma Apr 2013 #59

You can't hack89 Apr 2013 #62

Don't have that power? Oh? rdharma Apr 2013 #63

To mandate registration. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #64

That too! rdharma Apr 2013 #65

Because, unlike gun sales, it is hard to link it to commerce hack89 Apr 2013 #67

States Rights! rdharma Apr 2013 #69

Basic Constitutional law. hack89 Apr 2013 #72

Ask the Supreme Court if you have a problem with laws. nt rdharma Apr 2013 #74

I understand why that is an awkward question for controllers. hack89 Apr 2013 #77

Wrong....... try again...... nt rdharma Apr 2013 #78

So you are against state's rights. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #80

Keep diggin'! rdharma Apr 2013 #84

There are only two choices. hack89 Apr 2013 #85

I'm not confused..... Fed laws are trump....nt rdharma Apr 2013 #86

So it was illegal for CO and WA to legalize pot? DOMA is ok? hack89 Apr 2013 #87

"Congress could nullify CT's new gun control laws?" rdharma Apr 2013 #88

Why would Congress pass bad laws? They do it all the time. hack89 Apr 2013 #89

Oh, DOMA and gun safety laws are connected how?!!!!!! rdharma Apr 2013 #91

You are the one saying Federal law trumps state law hack89 Apr 2013 #105

Thinking twice. Straw Man Apr 2013 #38

What's with the file? nt rdharma Apr 2013 #41

Think about it. Straw Man Apr 2013 #42

No. It'll be funnier if YOU provide the answer! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #44

Better not answer, eh? nt rdharma Apr 2013 #66

C'mon now ... Straw Man Apr 2013 #71

Just waiting for your "file" explanation. rdharma Apr 2013 #73

How is it possible ... Straw Man Apr 2013 #75

Waiting for you! rdharma Apr 2013 #76

To do what? Straw Man Apr 2013 #82

Actually he will want one of these: GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #104

The chances the gun will be found prior to the shooter pipoman Apr 2013 #10

"most people who shoot someone are caught" rdharma Apr 2013 #12

It happens all the time, pipoman Apr 2013 #93

Yes. Reporting stolen gun requirement. rdharma Apr 2013 #94

I just don't see the utility pipoman Apr 2013 #95

What's the murder rate with guns in Canada? nt rdharma Apr 2013 #96

Why does it matter? pipoman Apr 2013 #97

You said their gun laws were complete falures....... rdharma Apr 2013 #98

I said gun registry is a failure pipoman Apr 2013 #99

So Canada's gun violence rate is WAY LOWER than in the US! rdharma Apr 2013 #100

It always has been pipoman Apr 2013 #102

It won't it just a first step toward the ultimate goal. ileus Apr 2013 #4

militia returns jimmy the one Apr 2013 #5

Flawed Logic av8r1998 Apr 2013 #7

Because background checks are great at the 1st point of sale jmg257 Apr 2013 #6

Universal background checks are great armueller2001 Apr 2013 #9

Registration leads to confiscation? rdharma Apr 2013 #14

No sir, that's what history tells us. armueller2001 Apr 2013 #30

So..... you want to be able to violate the law..... rdharma Apr 2013 #31

We don't need to give the government the tools armueller2001 Apr 2013 #33

That's what I thought..... rdharma Apr 2013 #37

Ever smoked pot? fredzachmane Apr 2013 #103

Would you support confiscation of arms? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #109

"confiscation of arms?" rdharma Apr 2013 #110

Then, if registration were to come about, and subsequent... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #113

If frogs would suddenly grow wings so they wouldn't bump their butts on landing,........ rdharma Apr 2013 #114

Usual dodge & feint. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #115

OZUKUS jimmy the one Apr 2013 #47

Read this. It failed but it was attempted. oneshooter Apr 2013 #61

Hey - nice signature! jmg257 Apr 2013 #17

OF COURSE IT WOULDN'T! shedevil69taz Apr 2013 #108

The other forum would be more likely to give an answer. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #21

Thanks fredzachmane Apr 2013 #79

"The pro-gun-control guys are at Gun Control Reform Activism" rdharma Apr 2013 #26

That was why I posted. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #106

The hope is that closing the gun show and private sale loopholes Warpy Apr 2013 #28

actually it won't gejohnston Apr 2013 #49

"majority of crime guns are obtained through theft" rdharma Apr 2013 #52

research instead of Brady Center nonsense gejohnston Apr 2013 #54

Why should I research......? rdharma Apr 2013 #58

you say "keep digging" gejohnston Apr 2013 #60

Evidence? rdharma Apr 2013 #68

??? VERY confused...I thought you said about 16%??? jmg257 Apr 2013 #70

I think he's stumped! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #81

that refers to the person caught with a gun he stole gejohnston Apr 2013 #90

I am not implying anything. I was asking you to explain your conflicting jmg257 Apr 2013 #92

The first AWB did nothing. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #107

Why have most of the deaths from mass shootings Warpy Apr 2013 #111

coincidence gejohnston Apr 2013 #112

Because there have been more rampage shootings. N/T GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #116

Many aspects don't make sense to me either discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #83

It's not a deterrent. It's to aid prosecution ... Deep13 Apr 2013 #101