Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: I have a question you guys can answer [View all]jimmy the one
(2,712 posts)fred: I have never heard a pro gun control person explain how a registry would be a crime deterrent.
Thanks for expressing a concern from the small minority, fred. I will proffer one reply, but be aware that in the court of public opinion, background check legislations are not filibusterable - you don't have anywhere near the 40%.
In 1790's, the US govt kept what were called 'militia returns', which listed all militia members who owned firearms, & whether they were rifles, musquettes, pistols or otherwise. Members were not disinclined to list what firearms they had on this 'registry', it was moreso a bit of a minor status symbol to own a firearm, and they had little to no qualms to admitting firearm ownership (since only about 1 in 4 militia eligible males owned guns you might see what I mean, hardly anyone else possessed private firearms, & recall women couldn't even vote).
So it appears the founding fathers had no objections to a 'national firearms registry', and would've smiled on joe biden & barry for suggesting this measure.
And what should law abiding gun owners have to fear from a registry today? outside of nra paranoia & fearmongering?
The nra is & has been duplicitous on this; in fopa1986 (firearm owners protection act), they argued successfully for a provision to restore gun rights to ex felons, and now nra wants to proscribe any registry on the claim it would violate 'law abiding gun owners', yet a registry would also benefit tracking recidivistic criminality by the very ones they reinstated gun rights to via fopa.
Face it, the nra sees a big market for gun manufacturers in ex felons with restored gun rights, wanting to buy guns.
av8tor: .. in my experience, at least in the overwhelming majority of the country where permits are issued, the criminals permit is revoked and they are ordered to turn in their firearms. If the state has PC they can get a search warrant.
Are you on the same side that argues that criminals will always get guns, will never obey the laws?
Right, a newly exposed criminal is supposed to & will always turn in his guns. Realize how a registry would help, now?
Then you argue police 'can get a search warrant'. Right. Cops would make a cursory inspection of drawers & closets, but think they're gonna spend all day to find out where he hid them or had a friend hold them temporarily?
See how a registry would help, now?