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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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83. Many aspects don't make sense to me either
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:12 PM
Apr 2013

We have laws against murder, assault, armed threats and similar activities. Those crimes continue to occur. I would suggest that if murder was not illegal, there might be more murders. When a weapon is used to murder, the weapon used most often is a gun. We therefore have laws restricting who can possess guns. All the effort is being focused on making more people in the gun's chain of custody responsible for crimes committed later. Additional laws add a burden to the state. Additional laws (providing they are crafted with enough care) can lead to great conviction rates and reduce crime. The problem is that catching 90% of the criminals rather than 80% costs double. (roughly) The principle of diminishing returns quickly makes this game very burdensome.


I don't support registration because much of it just demonstrates to the people that they are not trusted by their government.

I support improving the NICS.

I support ending the war on drugs.

I have a question you guys can answer [View all] fredzachmane Apr 2013 OP
Two reasons I can think of: petronius Apr 2013 #1
Think through this comment av8r1998 Apr 2013 #3
A gun is used in a murder..... rdharma Apr 2013 #2
How do you plan to register criminal's guns? hack89 Apr 2013 #8
Unregistered gun? Go to jail. That simple. nt rdharma Apr 2013 #11
By law, felons cannot be forced to register their guns due to the 5th amendment hack89 Apr 2013 #13
Felons can't register........ rdharma Apr 2013 #15
So you agree that registration is irrelevant when addressing criminals owning guns? hack89 Apr 2013 #16
"So you agree....." NO! rdharma Apr 2013 #18
With 300 million unregistered guns in America hack89 Apr 2013 #19
Don't need registration to trace a gun back to the initial purchaser. hack89 Apr 2013 #20
"Straw purchasers can be identified right now." FALSE. rdharma Apr 2013 #22
What about the Form 4473? hack89 Apr 2013 #23
"Every straw buyer has filled out a Form 4473" FALSE..... again! rdharma Apr 2013 #24
So what straw buyers don't fill out a form 4473 - care to educate us? nt hack89 Apr 2013 #25
Private purchases..... for one. nt rdharma Apr 2013 #27
It is not illegal for a private seller to sell to a straw buyer hack89 Apr 2013 #29
"not illegal for a private seller to sell to a straw buyer......." rdharma Apr 2013 #32
Straw purchases are a Federal offense hack89 Apr 2013 #34
No. It's You who has no clue. rdharma Apr 2013 #35
No - how about you provide some proof. hack89 Apr 2013 #36
Here's your proof.......... rdharma Apr 2013 #39
We were talking about straw purchases being a federal and not a state offense hack89 Apr 2013 #40
"I do not support registration." rdharma Apr 2013 #43
No - there are other means to stop straw purchases. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #45
"other means to stop straw purchases" rdharma Apr 2013 #46
Pass the The Stop Illegal Trafficking in Firearms Act of 2013. hack89 Apr 2013 #48
Increased penalty...... rdharma Apr 2013 #50
Since straw purchases are only a federal crime, the records are there. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #51
No..... if there's no background check........ rdharma Apr 2013 #53
I understand. But background checks and registration are separate issues hack89 Apr 2013 #55
Without records maintained..... background checks only rdharma Apr 2013 #56
So how do you get every state to mandate registration? hack89 Apr 2013 #57
Federal Legislation........ nt rdharma Apr 2013 #59
You can't hack89 Apr 2013 #62
Don't have that power? Oh? rdharma Apr 2013 #63
To mandate registration. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #64
That too! rdharma Apr 2013 #65
Because, unlike gun sales, it is hard to link it to commerce hack89 Apr 2013 #67
States Rights! rdharma Apr 2013 #69
Basic Constitutional law. hack89 Apr 2013 #72
Ask the Supreme Court if you have a problem with laws. nt rdharma Apr 2013 #74
I understand why that is an awkward question for controllers. hack89 Apr 2013 #77
Wrong....... try again...... nt rdharma Apr 2013 #78
So you are against state's rights. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #80
Keep diggin'! rdharma Apr 2013 #84
There are only two choices. hack89 Apr 2013 #85
I'm not confused..... Fed laws are trump....nt rdharma Apr 2013 #86
So it was illegal for CO and WA to legalize pot? DOMA is ok? hack89 Apr 2013 #87
"Congress could nullify CT's new gun control laws?" rdharma Apr 2013 #88
Why would Congress pass bad laws? They do it all the time. hack89 Apr 2013 #89
Oh, DOMA and gun safety laws are connected how?!!!!!! rdharma Apr 2013 #91
You are the one saying Federal law trumps state law hack89 Apr 2013 #105
Thinking twice. Straw Man Apr 2013 #38
What's with the file? nt rdharma Apr 2013 #41
Think about it. Straw Man Apr 2013 #42
No. It'll be funnier if YOU provide the answer! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #44
Better not answer, eh? nt rdharma Apr 2013 #66
C'mon now ... Straw Man Apr 2013 #71
Just waiting for your "file" explanation. rdharma Apr 2013 #73
How is it possible ... Straw Man Apr 2013 #75
Waiting for you! rdharma Apr 2013 #76
To do what? Straw Man Apr 2013 #82
Actually he will want one of these: GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #104
The chances the gun will be found prior to the shooter pipoman Apr 2013 #10
"most people who shoot someone are caught" rdharma Apr 2013 #12
It happens all the time, pipoman Apr 2013 #93
Yes. Reporting stolen gun requirement. rdharma Apr 2013 #94
I just don't see the utility pipoman Apr 2013 #95
What's the murder rate with guns in Canada? nt rdharma Apr 2013 #96
Why does it matter? pipoman Apr 2013 #97
You said their gun laws were complete falures....... rdharma Apr 2013 #98
I said gun registry is a failure pipoman Apr 2013 #99
So Canada's gun violence rate is WAY LOWER than in the US! rdharma Apr 2013 #100
It always has been pipoman Apr 2013 #102
It won't it just a first step toward the ultimate goal. ileus Apr 2013 #4
militia returns jimmy the one Apr 2013 #5
Flawed Logic av8r1998 Apr 2013 #7
Because background checks are great at the 1st point of sale jmg257 Apr 2013 #6
Universal background checks are great armueller2001 Apr 2013 #9
Registration leads to confiscation? rdharma Apr 2013 #14
No sir, that's what history tells us. armueller2001 Apr 2013 #30
So..... you want to be able to violate the law..... rdharma Apr 2013 #31
We don't need to give the government the tools armueller2001 Apr 2013 #33
That's what I thought..... rdharma Apr 2013 #37
Ever smoked pot? fredzachmane Apr 2013 #103
Would you support confiscation of arms? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #109
"confiscation of arms?" rdharma Apr 2013 #110
Then, if registration were to come about, and subsequent... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #113
If frogs would suddenly grow wings so they wouldn't bump their butts on landing,........ rdharma Apr 2013 #114
Usual dodge & feint. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #115
OZUKUS jimmy the one Apr 2013 #47
Read this. It failed but it was attempted. oneshooter Apr 2013 #61
Hey - nice signature! jmg257 Apr 2013 #17
OF COURSE IT WOULDN'T! shedevil69taz Apr 2013 #108
The other forum would be more likely to give an answer. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #21
Thanks fredzachmane Apr 2013 #79
"The pro-gun-control guys are at Gun Control Reform Activism" rdharma Apr 2013 #26
That was why I posted. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #106
The hope is that closing the gun show and private sale loopholes Warpy Apr 2013 #28
actually it won't gejohnston Apr 2013 #49
"majority of crime guns are obtained through theft" rdharma Apr 2013 #52
research instead of Brady Center nonsense gejohnston Apr 2013 #54
Why should I research......? rdharma Apr 2013 #58
you say "keep digging" gejohnston Apr 2013 #60
Evidence? rdharma Apr 2013 #68
??? VERY confused...I thought you said about 16%??? jmg257 Apr 2013 #70
I think he's stumped! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #81
that refers to the person caught with a gun he stole gejohnston Apr 2013 #90
I am not implying anything. I was asking you to explain your conflicting jmg257 Apr 2013 #92
The first AWB did nothing. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #107
Why have most of the deaths from mass shootings Warpy Apr 2013 #111
coincidence gejohnston Apr 2013 #112
Because there have been more rampage shootings. N/T GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #116
Many aspects don't make sense to me either discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #83
It's not a deterrent. It's to aid prosecution ... Deep13 Apr 2013 #101
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