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Straw Man

(6,633 posts)
42. Knives are very deadly.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:24 AM
Jul 2018

Not only that, but to use one effectively requires skill and physical strength. The notion that you should opt for a knife because a gun requires too much skill is laughable. I'm sorry, but that's the simple truth.

You should absolutely be ready to use your gun in the event that there is a knife attack. If you don't, people will die.

You should keep your gun concealed on your person, and no one should know that you have it. If it has to come out, it should be a surprise to everyone but you. Keeping it in a desk drawer is asking for trouble. First, there is the possibility of unauthorized access. Second, you may not be able to quickly access it yourself when you need it most.

For a relative beginner, a 9mm pistol is preferable to a .40 or a .45 since the recoil is more manageable. Furthermore, due to the slightly smaller size of the round, 9mm pistols generally have a larger ammunition capacity than .40s or .45s. For reasons of concealability and ease of shooting, you might even consider a .380 pistol.

A gun that is simple to operate is the quickest and easiest to learn. For that reason, striker-fired pistols like the Glock and the S&W M&P series are the most appropriate for beginners, IMO. Contrary to popular belief, you do not need a manual safety with this type of pistol. Manual safeties were designed for light-triggered single-action pistols like the 1911, and are not needed on double-action pistols or striker-fired pistols.

Get training. You may have to rub elbows with NRA folks to get it, but NRA-certified instructors are generally well trained and quite professional.

Get in the habit of practicing regularly. Try to shoot at least once a week.

Learn the three rules and follow them religiously.

--Keep guns unloaded until you are ready to use them. (Use includes carry.)
--Never point a gun at anything or anyone that you are not willing to destroy.
--Keep your finger off the trigger until the moment that you are going to shoot.

My short list for a new pistol shooter would include the following:

Glock 26 (9mm)
Glock 42 (.380)
S&W M&P Shield (9mm)
S&W M&P Compact (9mm)
S&W M&P EZ (.380)

I would avoid the tiny pocket pistols (Ruger LCP, et al) until you gain some shooting proficiency. They are easy to carry and conceal, but are considerably more difficult to shoot accurately.

Finally, realize that use of the gun is going to be a last resort and only a last resort. The gun is not going to forestall or defuse anything. The only situation it is going to resolve is the one in which everyone is going to die if you don't use the gun. Active-shooter training teaches "Run, hide, fight." If you can run, then run. If you can hide, then hide. If you can't do either of those, then fight. When it's time to fight, it's better to have a gun in your hand than a fire extinguisher.

seems like a bad idea to have a gun unless you have a lot of training bobbieinok Jul 2018 #1
Also a bad idea not to have a gun if someone comes through the door with a gun and a grudge. hay rick Jul 2018 #4
You'll get no flak from me Downtown Hound Jul 2018 #2
One of my basic questions. hay rick Jul 2018 #6
Glock .45 or .40 cal Downtown Hound Jul 2018 #18
Save your money leanforward Jul 2018 #3
Longtime Gun Guy here .. PBC_Democrat Jul 2018 #5
Longtime gun girl here Runningdawg Jul 2018 #27
Truth. All of it. The Mouth Jul 2018 #30
Like you, I prefer a small .38 revolver. ... spin Oct 2018 #61
Don't bother unless you are prepared to know how to use proficiently... Thomas Hurt Jul 2018 #7
In 2016 we had a Security Guard during office hours. Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #8
Camera is a good idea. hay rick Jul 2018 #10
I wouldn't volunteer. WhiteTara Jul 2018 #9
It's a difficult situation. hay rick Jul 2018 #11
Hardening the office is a much better idea Phoenix61 Jul 2018 #12
I agree. Securing the office is a better idea than carrying a gun. FuzzyRabbit Jul 2018 #15
Have the landlord install a digital lock. Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #16
Preparing for a shooter. FuzzyRabbit Jul 2018 #13
Thank you, FuzzyRabbit. This is informative. The Wielding Truth Aug 2018 #54
Since you have never shot a gun, you probably can't accurately shoot. StTimofEdenRoc Jul 2018 #14
I have shot guns, I just haven't owned one. hay rick Jul 2018 #17
Knives are very deadly. Straw Man Jul 2018 #42
First question is who is in charge of the office? sarisataka Jul 2018 #19
That's some seriously good advice discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2018 #23
Thanks for the thoughtful comments. hay rick Jul 2018 #24
You are safer without one. Scruffy1 Jul 2018 #20
Would your office allow you rwheeler31 Jul 2018 #21
If you need a gun, hire a professional Sedona Jul 2018 #22
Yes, a highly trained armed guard. oneshooter Jul 2018 #25
You get what you pay for Sedona Jul 2018 #32
Why not train themselves to a higher standard? It can (and ought to if one is carrying, imo) be done friendly_iconoclast Jul 2018 #46
Expensive oneshooter Jul 2018 #47
rick, first posted in RKBA? saidsimplesimon Jul 2018 #26
I posted here because I am seeking input from people who are knowledgeable about guns. hay rick Jul 2018 #34
I would not want to volunteer with someone with a gun. Sorry, I vote No - don't do it. JDC Jul 2018 #28
I am sure you can get training get the red out Jul 2018 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author The Mouth Jul 2018 #31
Glock 19 or small six shooter and a biometric pistol safe Alea Jul 2018 #33
Thank you for your advice. hay rick Jul 2018 #35
Before you thank me Alea Jul 2018 #36
A pariah on DU? hay rick Jul 2018 #37
You will always be welcome here Alea Jul 2018 #38
OMG, I'm doomed. hay rick Jul 2018 #39
my $0.02 marshmallow_man Jul 2018 #40
For post #9 in your history here True Dough Aug 2018 #60
Very bad idea. I've been around firearms my entire life. I do not want you to ... marble falls Jul 2018 #41
good point marshmallow_man Jul 2018 #43
The Myth busters may help you make a decision. fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #44
There are about a million ways a scenario could play out at your office krispos42 Jul 2018 #45
May I recommend a CZ PCR. ileus Jul 2018 #48
I read sweetapogee Jul 2018 #49
Don't do it. SQUEE Aug 2018 #50
You would need MONTHS to years of training to be ready for any of the encounters you are worried abo gejohnston Aug 2018 #55
I assume the poster will not being doing 8 hour days SQUEE Aug 2018 #58
it doesn't take that much gejohnston Aug 2018 #59
hay rick, NO saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #51
Get one and a permit if you must. Do not ever tell anyone you have the permit or are brewens Aug 2018 #52
I would try going to your local police station Eko Aug 2018 #53
just a few things gejohnston Aug 2018 #56
.38 Wheel gun bottomofthehill Aug 2018 #57
Compact auto gunsmoker Jan 2019 #66
Get the training first before carrying a gun. You don't have enough time for this election year. Kaleva Oct 2018 #62
Thanks. I agree. hay rick Oct 2018 #64
I think you have made a wise choice. Kaleva Oct 2018 #65
I spent months doing research before making a purchase. Kaleva Oct 2018 #63
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