Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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69. according to the Rossi and Wright study

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:36 PM

Mar 2012

Last edited Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:25 PM - Edit history (2)

most criminals will skip a place where they think a homeowner is armed, or even home for that matter.

Oh yeah, I have seen your scenario on TV more often.

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My local paper editorial page calls on stand your ground laws to be repealed [View all] alp227 Mar 2012 OP

it does much more gejohnston Mar 2012 #1

I also hope Spike Lee get sued. MicaelS Mar 2012 #2

I've never seen ANYTHING that spike lee has done that is any good. rl6214 Mar 2012 #5

"We expanded the definition of something, and found more of it..." Callisto32 Mar 2012 #11

Much like the definition of autism.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #17

I did enjoy one... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #3

sounds like it could have been written by some of our anti-gun zealots here. rl6214 Mar 2012 #4

so what's your alternative solution? alp227 Mar 2012 #6

we agree on that gejohnston Mar 2012 #7

"But for Wild West social attitudes?" rl6214 Mar 2012 #38

And nevermind the fact that NYC had a murder rate higher than the "wild west" ever dreamed of. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #39

Basically my category of anyone who uses guns not words in disputes. alp227 Mar 2012 #45

that happens more in your neck of the woods gejohnston Mar 2012 #47

haha Jerry Brown is the GOVERNOR now...i think his KPFA show was from the mid 90s. alp227 Mar 2012 #48

I know he is governor now gejohnston Mar 2012 #57

Read your own posts. They pretty much define it. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #71

The stand your ground removes a duty to retreat when attacked ... spin Mar 2012 #58

there ARE other sources reporting Baxley's position than the nutty newsmax. alp227 Mar 2012 #74

That is a fair point ... spin Mar 2012 #75

That makes you normal and sane. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #70

I think a lot of gun carriers want these laws, and the NRA has been too glad to help enacting them. Hoyt Mar 2012 #9

Is that kinda like if you think you are going to make a stupid statement on the internet rl6214 Mar 2012 #40

Remember these people also recommend you be a victim. ileus Mar 2012 #8

Who would these people be? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #72

you missed the thread gejohnston Mar 2012 #73

I totally agree with Quander. More guns in a confrontation means more bad. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #79

regardless of what he said gejohnston Mar 2012 #80

Really? I didn't hear that or read that. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #92

I did not say that he said that gejohnston Mar 2012 #94

Hearing aids come in handy at times Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #95

you know what I mean gejohnston Mar 2012 #96

No, I don't know what you mean Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #103

for one thing gejohnston Mar 2012 #104

Shows the lack of nuance typical of anti's. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #10

What do you think 'creating a rebuttable presumption' COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #15

Your point ignores the narrow applicablity of the statute. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #32

What in the Florida statute tells you that is it COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #44

"and creates" Oneka Mar 2012 #46

You can believe that if you want - my point was that COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #51

In a typical defense Oneka Mar 2012 #52

I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #61

My answers. Oneka Mar 2012 #65

If you have it your way (which is essentially what SYG COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #84

You can characterize it any way you like, however, Oneka Mar 2012 #85

I think your confusing things. In a 'normal murder case' COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #88

Shifting the burden of proof, Oneka Mar 2012 #97

"The fact that the individual who asserts "self defense" COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #98

Indeed. Oneka Mar 2012 #106

Sigh. The statute, counselor, which you apparently did not read. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #100

I read it. You're mixing apples and oranges. COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #109

SYG has little to do with this, and no witnesses has everything to do with it.. pipoman Mar 2012 #12

They can wish in one hand and crap in the other... virginia mountainman Mar 2012 #13

So should we say that everyone not at home has a "duty to retreat" when faced with violent crime? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #14

You are not 'legally compelled to run away' COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #16

As it should be. Clames Mar 2012 #18

It's not 'what I advocate' - it's what the law was COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #19

It is what you advocate... Clames Mar 2012 #20

I'm an attorney. As such, I'm an Officer of the Court. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #29

My state is a SYG state... Clames Mar 2012 #37

There should be absolutely No Duty to Retreat in your own home. MicaelS Mar 2012 #21

I don't think we are talking about in your home. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #23

Some States say that's their law. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #31

Not having immunity from lawsuits gejohnston Mar 2012 #41

I think that's absurd. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #22

You may like to believe that this is 'absurd' COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #25

Not true. Some states allow deadly force in defense of property. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #30

'Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" is COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #43

I disagree. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #54

Let's not get overly dramatic. Not every robbery results in COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #60

But every robbery has that potential. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #62

What experience do you have with shooting people? COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #67

What does this have to do with my comment? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #78

You're a proponent of 'better safe than sorry'. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #81

Being armed Oneka Mar 2012 #86

Then you're one of a very few people who behave so. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #87

If it hits the fan I'll have a range of choices available to me. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #90

Robbery by definition is violent. It is also reported as a violent crime. Glassunion Mar 2012 #76

I never said it was a peaceful transaction between COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #83

Actually, NCVS says that your best chance of not being hurt.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #101

Sometimes complying is a good option. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #107

The State of Texas allows the use of deadly force MicaelS Mar 2012 #33

You learn something every day. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #42

Well value... Clames Mar 2012 #49

You're right. It is in the eye of COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #50

And yet many people do set the value of their own life that low. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #56

Do you really think that the guy who goes out to steal COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #59

THEY SHOULD. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #63

That's nothing but wishful thinking. Thieves (and criminals COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #66

according to the Rossi and Wright study gejohnston Mar 2012 #69

This has been disproven. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #77

How would a thief know that the home they were COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #82

Theydon't. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #89

You know, I was almost agreeing COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #91

Here's the cite for that survey.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #102

Thanks - I was too lazy to go find it for him. n/t Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #108

Obvious answer is "Yes". Clames Mar 2012 #64

Exactly. Everyone sets their own value for their life. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #55

Much depends on the legal definition of the word "reasonable" ... spin Mar 2012 #26

The legal definition that applies here is COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #27

Running away from a confrontation is often a good choice ... spin Mar 2012 #24

K&R. Best and most honest answer yet COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #28

Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Mar 2012 #36

One problem with what you said. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #34

I agree ... spin Mar 2012 #35

They'd probably also like to see the 2A removed. ileus Mar 2012 #53

Give it a break! No one is suggesting that COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #68

Hah. Good one. shadowrider Mar 2012 #93

I'm not "anti-gun". I have owned firearms, both long COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #99

I think requiring a duty to retreat is flawed and I will explain ... spin Mar 2012 #105