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cbayer

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13. Wow, I had no idea that this whole convoluted thing was out there.

Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:41 PM

Jan 2014

So, you can't really go to hell if you are chosen because it is highly unlikely that you would do something bad…

but you have to be careful but there might be some kind of scale involved.

I've no problem with the part about being the best person you can be, but the other parts flummox me.

Thanks for the info. I think you are doing just great and I appreciate it.

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Evangelicals Find Themselves in the Midst of a Calvinist Revival [View all] cbayer Jan 2014 OP

Moral detachment in the form of religion Zambero Jan 2014 #1

I tend to think she would be part of the prosperity gospel movement... cbayer Jan 2014 #3

ugh! nt grasswire Jan 2014 #2

My parents have become Calvinist. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #4

I don't know much about this, but the way I read it is that cbayer Jan 2014 #5

Yes, people are chosen before they're even born. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #6

So they know if they've been chosen, but do they know who else has been chosen cbayer Jan 2014 #7

Instead of people achieving their salvation through faith and good works, LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #10

It seems very inside-out to me. cbayer Jan 2014 #11

Predestination means enlightenment Jan 2014 #8

So, even if you are chosen, you still might go to hell? cbayer Jan 2014 #9

Technically, no. enlightenment Jan 2014 #12

Wow, I had no idea that this whole convoluted thing was out there. cbayer Jan 2014 #13

Appreciate the kind words, thank you. :) enlightenment Jan 2014 #16

Colored pastels and buttermilk? cbayer Jan 2014 #18

Picture an eager young enlightenment Jan 2014 #19

OMG, that's hilarious. cbayer Jan 2014 #20

At the very least, that technique should come enlightenment Jan 2014 #21

That sounds a lot like you're saying they are wrong. eomer Jan 2014 #26

Uh, oh! Should I tread carefully? Am I about to be step in the trap, lol? cbayer Jan 2014 #27

That is great, actually. eomer Jan 2014 #30

Nevrr really got into Calvinism. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #14

That does not surprise me, justin. cbayer Jan 2014 #15

I am not into the hell and damnation thing. I believe in a loving God. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #17

Interesting stuff. I've never known much of anything at all about Calvinists. pinto Jan 2014 #22

Terrible. The Calvinist cult is NOT Christianity. Dawson Leery Jan 2014 #23

Why not edhopper Jan 2014 #24

Sure it is. -nt Bradical79 Jan 2014 #52

Is Calvinism proto-atheistic? Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #25

Here is how we were taught predestination: riqster Jan 2014 #28

Problem: some Calvinism says nothing WE do can save us; its only the (random) help from God Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #31

Yes, there are varying sub-sects and variations. riqster Jan 2014 #41

This seems wholly illogical. cbayer Jan 2014 #32

It's a level of perception and a question of abilities. riqster Jan 2014 #34

I often thought I knew what my kids would do, but they sometimes surprised me. cbayer Jan 2014 #36

It depends on a literal interpretation riqster Jan 2014 #37

So, even though god knows what a person is going to do, the person themselves cbayer Jan 2014 #38

Well, the guidance is already there. riqster Jan 2014 #39

That's closer to Arminius than Calvin. Leontius Jan 2014 #50

Unless you ordered their lives so it would happen, created the life where it would happen, etc. Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #44

It depends on how active one thinks God is. riqster Jan 2014 #45

Unless ... Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #46

Except that throughout history, we see countless people that are forced to lie in the beds... trotsky Jan 2014 #47

That is the crux of the Active God question. riqster Jan 2014 #48

Unless God created everything as we are told; including the devil himself. And evil itself. Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #49

But we can choose whether or not to be evil. riqster Jan 2014 #51

Can we? Does conventional theology really hold up? Can we be blamed by God for evil? Is it OUR fault Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #53

So? trotsky Jan 2014 #43

That sounds like my Presby friends okasha Jan 2014 #33

It is a very complex theology that seems simple at the surface. And google snippets are surface. riqster Jan 2014 #35

Just a deeper hole within the world of delusional nonsense on point Jan 2014 #29

Without our choice to seek and accept salvation it has no meaning. Leontius Jan 2014 #40

Marilynne Robinson has written at least a couple of essays on Calvin. Jim__ Jan 2014 #42